From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Meanness Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:52:30 +0200 Message-ID: References: <20080726081019.GB1419@muc.de> <853alw3aq8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85od4k1uct.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1217091172 5855 80.91.229.12 (26 Jul 2008 16:52:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:52:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "David Kastrup" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jul 26 18:53:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KMn1T-0002bp-98 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:53:35 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35203 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMn0Z-0002ac-Ax for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:52:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMn0V-0002aX-2H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:52:35 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KMn0S-0002a5-D0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:52:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51336 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KMn0S-0002a2-9a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:52:32 -0400 Original-Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com ([66.249.90.180]:35458) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KMn0R-000435-L3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 12:52:31 -0400 Original-Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so2994728ika.2 for ; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:52:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=w+O63EdCSuqAuGIJ1+r3Ecr7GY8yiZCd7BXpeMYI1go=; b=kvQB/gW5l1lK61PE3JT7tJzcDa30Wvb9Iy2QvjB88FUdPitV7hFIgwq5gJrfb6st6o J6o9z/bkr7H/G1+zkVZfMH2EnXbKm4Tr9WIre2lyx25hFngPbujw8Hicdc92M+CLPyJJ qDF7d5B3zwG55L8jYT1dMnHpoM8deQukyyANY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=A5M7dGjVcBVXzOtgE7vkHxF6x1AsnNz55bhqlo4QfILehHGh9w7fXa6u5sV8Jeuxjf scNh9YKNNFfCOFAYj9xImPmTWIEnWUIkper+oCO4MDGrSQz3MDCo2SR5olfuC3bd2nSG NcZvCHFMlmjKf2/dj9zUIEmFxcrwOUKvFNepA= Original-Received: by 10.210.125.7 with SMTP id x7mr597425ebc.184.1217091150583; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:52:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:52:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <85od4k1uct.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:101542 Archived-At: On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 18:30, David Kastrup wrote: > So why are you agreeing that my extremist views in this dispute try to > control "how soon and how completely should each private citizen switch > ti using Free Software and Free Software alone"? No. > Then please identify the extremists that you think Eli is talking about, > and explain in which postings they try to mandate taking control over > private citizens' software use. I'm not going to put words in Eli's mouth. But yes, I would call extremist to anyone who thinks that Eli, or Jason, or Lennart, or myself, are unethical for using non-free software, for working on non-free software environments, or for "wasting" our time trying to help people to use free software on those non-free environments. That is a pretty extreme worldview. If you agree with that viewpoint (I think so, but I'm not sure and I don't have the time right now to reread the whole thread, so excuse me if I'm misinterpreting you) you're an extremist IMO. That's not the same that thinking you're an idiot, blabbering or otherwise. I do not think so. Juanma