From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:02:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216890346 25627 80.91.229.12 (24 Jul 2008 09:05:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 09:05:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Miles Bader" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 24 11:06:26 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLwlY-0007Fy-7X for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:05:49 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58938 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLwke-00084n-LU for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:04:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLwio-0007lb-2p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:02:50 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLwim-0007kp-8y for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:02:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42281 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLwil-0007kk-Tu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:02:47 -0400 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.186]:7699) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLwim-0001Nd-9H for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 05:02:48 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so6895237nfi.26 for ; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:02:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Sl9CaIvILYONAD8g1SZL3NnWVGYs6y78mG9zRwJjGyg=; b=psQtmZsMDBnxLxBu2lJOOonW2vLwCQRNMyHniri8bHpOIzh4ZxUPLDotRu0Ya2dJKL 8WW9EPPex/HU0PQ6bFtqaLE2y07Lp2Mj4Mjqt8dWxijVBXcWURVRKICn4HuhK/Bct3SI W2TABAKjD7tlt0fkrMcepgbenXi18Wk5xgq9E= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=cGgSP4HElllfL0VC/ms+OxWCSn0dmVY90EUPSAGiJIO1UBST6xi4g9oYqAvZz80o/e PHXRa1tFN4CPHG9wGSyHWU6q37Adv77ff/QEoFBFua1kcUo575HYYGFe02ukzIP9sQHw RpgOIOK1iurIiDuz3Eju3H/TFTvDGEcm2UUdM= Original-Received: by 10.210.127.13 with SMTP id z13mr755ebc.143.1216890166520; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:02:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55884 Archived-At: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 09:19, Miles Bader wrote: > "C-x" in general is a prefix for "major" commands, and "C-c" was > historically used to kill a program (you could question the significance > of "C-c" itself, but it was used so universally, its meaning was quite > firmly established). > > Thus "C-x C-c" is a fairly logical binding, if you ask me. Well, C-c to me has the meaning of "killing a program", yes, which, Emacs terminology notwithstanding, is not the same as exiting a program (yes, I know that many programs do orderly exits after a C-c, but to my Windows-tainted eyes, C-c is using violence against the unsuspecting process). > Now, the logic behind "Alt-F4" is, ... what, exactly? It is as arbitrary as C-c to killing a program, or C-x for major commands. And it is (in a Windows context) obviously related to Alt-F4 to close a document. Juanma