From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:56:55 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87bq0prh39.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87prp55vj1.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216771063 6792 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 23:57:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:57:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Bastien Guerry" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 01:58:32 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLRkS-0001Ze-Ga for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:58:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58047 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRjZ-0007c5-9m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:57:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRj1-0007UE-1d for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:56:59 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRiz-0007Tc-DL for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:56:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43883 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRiz-0007TX-8g for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:56:57 -0400 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.191]:15995) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLRiy-0002j5-MI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:56:57 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so6653843nfi.26 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=OsQZdROHV3AaiC0XOHOTciZjI6nqHcHpqmrif0MNNPw=; b=rXY+JugjtqHar5b+lw21OxqLEmc+jZSglXDfkRshdEvnHqJ2S4wNsIkzelZbJeQEtT q6p1Fai3YerC3C2wfD3HSx5qQP3scryYxUvuGfApQ6ndcYOEHWAcqg6fcSFARSocVtgZ IPQj56kjR8rNP7pwDAV60zcCv3/H9SNcYVYwU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=CveN8qNcfDbJcUkKx/wK6Mub9WMzsTFCpjtuf72fQ9nPWqqSlEUPTN+YfpHPAqrYzt Hg9jAY0fMwXG+FCQkBbNR/6miM1BT7fkue9tn5glDst5iT3qBN7EtaegZxPUcWR31TD+ LP7RloCItHyhwm2o9PpDqTq/KD+4gdMipJRrg= Original-Received: by 10.210.36.8 with SMTP id j8mr5148265ebj.155.1216771015416; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:56:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87prp55vj1.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55838 Archived-At: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 01:49, Bastien Guerry wrote: > No, surely mine. I just wanted to say: if new users are not too much > complaining about the terminology, let's not fix something that is not > broken. OK. The trouble is, we will never now about the users that simply abandon Emacs because of the terminology. I'm not suggesting that's the only, or main, difficulty, of course. The first (but not last) time I tried Emacs and failed, I was simply frustrated that there was no simple menu option to say "just save the current size and position of the main window" [frame, in fact]. > Do you seriously think that the terms "buffers, frames and keybindings" > make it difficult for new users to learn Emacs? Yes, for some people. Not all who learn Emacs have english as his native language, and not all terminology is equally simple, or common. I find "keybinding" horrible to this day, and I dislike "frame" almost as much. Juanma