From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:38:59 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87hcaiiatp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87fxq1rhbf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87wsjd5wc8.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216769992 4253 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 23:39:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:39:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Bastien Guerry" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 01:40:41 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLRT5-0005RE-Ph for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:40:32 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57590 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRSC-0006XO-HZ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:36 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRRf-0006TZ-Cu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:03 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRRd-0006TN-3L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:02 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=35765 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLRRc-0006TK-TN for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:00 -0400 Original-Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com ([66.249.90.183]:56301) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLRRc-0000Vi-Eb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:39:00 -0400 Original-Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1503227ika.2 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:38:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=Unb0UuRvG48sI/E6mI85QOE/EIF4mxzt3JgDtfe64xk=; b=jDBnysEmQzKpYmCpxOn+rIrqnmTX41K2PlPBrnYwesgCMQcWueCr4pxF6YqTdMYFWM M453+Sg1x/AyWCDae31QaAAtZV07RVwK/emk1ksBrqvZWrzC7FRHbMJF2lyTqXngym/Q HvW7O9UuthtxETo/i5cs6QHrN3J+RGxQX7CMQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=keDnhnqYL5buRZdqg7w6LXK+wRzSUmCmehn9XO2kSJ+pZvpfeXC+YlPGZaajkDbJLd k1mVZ1DPGkT4jLvjfeZsTycltguCp2L3d85a2mhv3etoCLtpwywzVlhBUfyfxJp1lAiQ sZShUQe2o8O7unNG6L/zj/0jO0qUItB8zfdDw= Original-Received: by 10.210.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr5133628ebn.131.1216769939478; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:38:59 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:38:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87wsjd5wc8.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55833 Archived-At: On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 01:32, Bastien Guerry wrote: > But we're not discussing about what could have been done 20 years ago, > are we? Discussing the terminology today, my point is that it might be > risky to "import" some terms just because they are commonly used > elsewhere. If they give the right representation of the thing they > refer to, why not. Well, I'm discussing about what the consequences are of the choices of 20 years ago, and whether we should be careful in the future (now that tabs and other IDE-like features are being discussed in emacs-devel). > Because it's an example of what could seem to be a good candidate for > replacing buffer. But I think that the representations an Eclipse user > has of a workspace doesn't designate the notion of a buffer adequately. OK, though I think that's giving too much credit to Eclipse. > Sure - I'm just pointing possible pittfalls. Yes. Thanks for rational, rudeness-free discussion. > Okay, but terminology and concepts are often intertwingled. > That's all the fun of such discussions. ;-) > If it's too hard, it can't be that useful... Exaggerating a bit (OK, a *lot*), that's like saying that solving the world famines is not useful because it is hard. Juanma