From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:03:06 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> <87bq0prh39.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216767825 30883 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 23:03:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:03:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Bastien Guerry" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 01:04:34 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLQuA-0000fh-4I for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:04:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37242 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQtG-0005iu-UP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:03:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQsw-0005ik-SG for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:03:10 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQsu-0005i9-FQ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:03:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37897 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQsu-0005hq-9Q for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:03:08 -0400 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.187]:11139) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLQst-00041N-Qo for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:03:08 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so6649177nfi.26 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=dno3DggUXycCab716xHRDT3Vo49rnks9iSctmFXm58Q=; b=kulj1mZy/KI7wUCR5FOOCBZLFv8MB0FZ9u4EogsqHLE6zLPDaQUfYZJznmtRiw4Qmr 8HPdO9LFAXaqHpUGIW5hgwr70WjlUe67aC3TykdWwDqVnxwev0Uk9GqvrgdvhZmWFvqy 0ankkGMCaKydOkRd+QIp5gXsz+CiW2rOtKptY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=lyG2FLrqCLsjjlj4pnx3WJQU6RzaT4pWklKedyu6xFRtQvA6IufAbjGFYNtK9DaHHJ KNWiPh0fdmNg1E4wvSowKMnUY84VzPd3zBSVpUSh74MMk6be99bEvCjdCV8bOtd6gZqT sWcinXuvstcTUbmI7ELc8ERdgmboaSbgToJag= Original-Received: by 10.210.104.20 with SMTP id b20mr5100159ebc.149.1216767786527; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:03:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87bq0prh39.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55829 Archived-At: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 18:58, Bastien Guerry wrote: > In the same way that the manual page (info "(Emacs)Buffers") is relevant > to the users. Well, yes, but that's a bit of circular reasoning. Of course the current terminology is relevant, because it *is* the current terminology, after all. That does not mean that the user cares about the precise term, as long as s/he understands it. > How many users are complaining about the fact that it's not easy to open > and close a file with Emacs? As long as this is not a *major* problem, > let's not consider whether it's good or not to change Emacs terminology. > > No? I don't see the relevance of that question (my fault, I'm sure). I was under the impression that the relevant question would be: "how much difficult is for beginners to learn Emacs when they read about buffers and frames and keybindings, instead of X and Y and Z?" [where X, Y and Z are suitable terms commonly used in other environments] Juanma