From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:58:37 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87hcaiiatp.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87fxq1rhbf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216767549 30043 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 22:59:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 22:59:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Bastien Guerry" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jul 23 00:59:58 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLQpn-0007rh-A8 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:59:55 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35713 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQot-00046B-RQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:58:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQob-00045r-CJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:58:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQoZ-00045T-LO for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:58:40 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=37792 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLQoZ-00045Q-Ic for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:58:39 -0400 Original-Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com ([66.249.90.176]:16752) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLQoZ-0003TS-Dk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:58:39 -0400 Original-Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c21so1491850ika.2 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:58:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=CH6jME5mbkkJAa7N1Pdet0HV+oh71RuyvtR7c4iAu3M=; b=TvxZzrZkv2EuZ1BtXzxBsw9KykUwiYEWGX9Vn/Z5dr6+LxkPR77o39P+N9l+4yBCg6 Wm2Wdw8TGM2dPcdBMUSl+Nxw5hBX41Y/oUyr3Rpqs6KzmpfBUy+fCylCjyvV94+Lz2to YTMN4VfIFffUfRqsNoGbivFnJoqkRn4JVu4OM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=UZB7/PjPPRJjgKgZtX1Wvn7hKPzLSIlKh3Rdni8eeG0QNzmy4+u89Vl4dsVRytDIOs aLQ2O7WaKuQWjgXOTqPKl5t7O4hskdFxl9mAHNv2CLoWbG3NiHpwsBJsaiACtNctTEhf 43iRj7JCizCMif4DK8Jq9f9OcK68Ls83iPTGQ= Original-Received: by 10.210.127.13 with SMTP id z13mr5112695ebc.91.1216767517455; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:58:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:58:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87fxq1rhbf.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55828 Archived-At: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 18:53, Bastien Guerry wrote: > Yes, as long as the terminology matches the underlying concepts. The underlying concept is called a "buffer" because... well, just because it has always been called that on Emacs. "scratchpad" would have been equally valid, or "workspace" (we're talking more than 20 years ago, before the current wave of IDEs), or "temporary store" or who knows what. > For example, replacing "buffer" by "workspace" in the manual would not > only be a huge work, it would also be misleading: because you would soon > have to deal with expectations that people already have with the notion > of "workspace". Why the fixation with "workspace"? > So instead of saying "A workspace in Emacs is like the > one you have in Eclipse, but there is a difference..." - why not stick > to history? We're bound to stick with history. But it is nice (and perhaps even useful, in some way) to think what benefit would we gain by using a more common terminology. At least that will compel us to choose more adequate names for new features. > I do react about terminology because I think such a discussion is never > about terminology only. It's also about the concepts behind. If Emacs > were more file-centric, then I wouldn't understand why there is no > shortcut (sic!) to Open/Close. I cannot speak on behalf of others, but certainly I'm talking exclusively about terminology. > Ok, history always comes with some arbitrary choice. But it's hard to > move from an arbitrary choice with a non-arbitrary reason. It's hard to move from an arbitrary, deeply ingrained choice, even if it'd be useful to do so. Juanma