From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: basic question: going back to dired Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:44:40 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4884DC7F.6060406@gmail.com> <819feff4-76e3-4bf8-9ece-7b47f099efc2@j22g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> <87mykaw8sb.fsf@nonospaz.fatphil.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1216737985 23097 80.91.229.12 (22 Jul 2008 14:46:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:46:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Miles Bader" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 22 16:47:14 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KLJ8m-0002FB-N6 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 16:47:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53982 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLJ7t-00020C-ID for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:46:05 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLJ6a-0001VZ-Iq for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:44:44 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1KLJ6Y-0001U5-RT for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:44:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=44786 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1KLJ6Y-0001Tv-MU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:44:42 -0400 Original-Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.190]:63852) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KLJ6X-0005sS-IB for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 10:44:42 -0400 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so6551125nfi.26 for ; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:44:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8hD2feu5fW/8uKmimeoDseSaQcy236MUiwPaq2WbXg0=; b=wyUpOQIvvVGmqoEwidIcZnvu+pVrcai7EkytFLmXVhlmOtPqN+saeSh8xBZjlWLyDa 7inS3vH97h+MuR0xjhhlcU8yhe8Jv1y8yjgsPrX0EVMg8FXxienvI2vViRHw5Bp4L6Qe YJT8V02PVdWKpJryisl+Dp+Ir0sL97QDd3WGQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=DugBRT9Mzbav35r1MycMXz+Q/CWrP+ncc8CYjq5wgne3a8aFKvclO0I5nCxbc7WOmP sjpM27lf+IVcUXjmPntVD79bJJSllyVnntgOI2wdpjP+o0QnFZgyfW1wJM0Ev4AAU7bw useZwC8IpX0k9xUqvUnAySplnqlo2Uy7+AIH0= Original-Received: by 10.210.90.10 with SMTP id n10mr4531468ebb.179.1216737880258; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.210.71.14 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:44:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:55803 Archived-At: On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 14:34, Miles Bader wrote: > It's not that "keybinding" is somehow extra good, it's that "shortcut" > is unusually bad. Agreed. I don't like Xah Lee's proposals. But I think that he's right that Emacs' use of outdated terminology sometimes hampers adoption by new users. Juanma