From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: function arguments downcased in help buffers Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:01:43 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200804150020.m3F0KBMo012038@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200804150504.m3F53xoY007750@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200804151425.m3FEPLAJ005918@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> <200804151537.m3FFb71U018970@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1208278238 26820 80.91.229.12 (15 Apr 2008 16:50:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:50:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Glenn Morris , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Dan Nicolaescu" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 15 18:50:43 2008 connect(): Connection refused Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1JlnxE-00012R-1l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:24:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JlnwZ-0004RO-Jr for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:23:39 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JlnbX-0007tu-MK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:01:55 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1JlnbR-0007rZ-SS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:01:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JlnbP-0007r6-Gm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:01:48 -0400 Original-Received: from el-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.162.181]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1JlnbP-0002PM-02 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:01:47 -0400 Original-Received: by el-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id s27so883851ele.1 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:01:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=xbVisRB1iACTad6l2mMbofH65k7e6HCMUt3GYesxPNU=; b=AZ4aNpfubN4TljLDVCZcN37/GWpJOMMEbI9a8DmfkACXiFH6er7C0frXIUmchAOpAb5jne5pd0t3Blz3E/MY7u939VFsXmds0fexp5G4dHVk+TWkVpD/feTsnQenC22urOQwly+LWl3xRf4sxf1+wTkvYdJalPOyGIYpJaAmjMs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dU8Bv5HXBql0paVa+z9uFMvXlSNxGkezl+NJWEBmmpwRSOh+IATr9Xkw/NlwCSfeH3zCa6bxVYXNjSA4PCY9yBj3jEc3WkA0CcoWk5lUNHVwl8QMlcCeT80WJrOo5kMtu+6tNuCrj/OUzFBoY5JQFB47Sd7nuQ1MdioH9XtJt6w= Original-Received: by 10.115.15.1 with SMTP id s1mr8440969wai.0.1208275303445; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:01:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.114.166.20 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:01:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <200804151537.m3FFb71U018970@sallyv1.ics.uci.edu> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:95287 Archived-At: On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:37 PM, Dan Nicolaescu wrote: > That might have been your intention, but that is not what you actually > said, and what I was replying to. We can discuss forever the meaning of "they are", but I stand for what I actually said. > This is unrelated to what I wrote and the context I wrote it in. DejaVu > Sans Mono is also not useful to X11 emacs for emacs 22, Why not? > AFAICT it is not available as a core X font. That is unrelated to what you wrote, unless your definition of popular is "available as a core X font". > This type of attitude is one of the reasons emacs-devel is such an > unpleasant environment lately. I'd say that the attitude of using "brain-dead", "bug", "stupid" etc to people's decissions (and, yes, sometimes mistakes) is one reason why emacs-devel is often unpleasant. That, and the habit of pushing to change back defaults people don't like, instead of just customizing them in their .emacs and be done with it. > The discussion was about a feature that recently changed behavior That's one way to see it. Another is to think that the feature has not changed behavior, but a recent bug is triggering an unindented misbehavior. > and > the statement you replied to was clearly labeled as _a personal opinion_ > and clearly stated that it didn't require a change if that is what most > people want. I fail to see why your statement is "clearly [...] _a personal opinion_", and my comment, which explicitly said "but I find it a bit insulting [...]", is not. > Stating that criticism of a feature is an insult is a > clear way to drive people way from any type of discussion. Nice strawman, but I wasn't objecting to your disliking of the feature, or your criticism, just to the election of the word "bug" to denote an intended feature. Juanma