From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `*' interactive spec in some text-killing functions Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:16:00 +0200 Message-ID: References: <85fy4d56u8.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <85bqf0649m.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> <86ps3gy02e.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86lke4xz7z.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1183040184 15078 80.91.229.12 (28 Jun 2007 14:16:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 28 Jun 2007 14:16:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel To: "Stefan Monnier" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 28 16:16:19 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I3unC-0001nP-R3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 16:16:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3unC-000113-6p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:16:18 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I3umw-0000vj-6n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I3umv-0000vI-Of for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:16:01 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I3umv-0000vE-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:16:01 -0400 Original-Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.237]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I3umu-0004LQ-Qq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 10:16:00 -0400 Original-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s7so184786wxc for ; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:16:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=mjlvm0ZEfjDdpC8tGyrWWOle4xnnV6Bx1Xi0/qPhGQfP95+z7PN0EFXjyQyIneCHoFhh5+O6hmXkVXdaC5JpIUFvmd14bND+CDdjo0W/b29+PirxoO1yF18lVeo6xH9kvb5Gr4FMSrH1A58mKtcm3Te71dxdze/JGFMTquM02W8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BadU/3XfVeESn1RsnpqyOPGZzRg7QEuPsPjgs4uyynLrg2K5sJRTZpVPnye7a5bwyaeI+Qk8sXbHIIuK2By+SGQpFToKID5K1vAiR2CKQw6BE7Hvh7xJ0szWbsxcx0QLXtFxmqmFhpc+VkdlDr+lRYhBsHBFDtMxtCo6KBt7cR4= Original-Received: by 10.90.78.9 with SMTP id a9mr1701255agb.1183040160082; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.90.87.8 with HTTP; Thu, 28 Jun 2007 07:16:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73997 Archived-At: On 6/28/07, Stefan Monnier wrote: > The result is not irrelevant because you may do C-x C-q afterwards. Yes, and David (before embarking on a crusade to convince me of what do I find confusing, or why I shouldn't) already pointed out an example of how switching to overwrite in a read-only buffer can sometimes be useful. I don't know how common is, but it is certainly useful. > But maybe a little warning reminding the user that the buffer is not yet > writable could be added. Well, thanks! That was exactly my point: that it could warn "Buffer is read-only". > It doesn't seem tremendously useful, tho: she'll > figure it out soon enough. Agreed: it's not tremendously useful, not even very useful; just nice to some people, newbies perhaps. That's why I've been using the PgUp example: the warning about "Beginning of buffer" is not very useful, but it can be helpful to a newbie that suddenly doesn't understand why the buffer is not scrolling. David and others have reminded me a couple times or four that the read-only status is visible on the modeline. And it is: `--' turns into `%%', or `-*' to `-%'. Not the most conspicuous of clues, if you're new to Emacs, I think. Thanks, Juanma