From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: A wish, a plea Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:55:44 +0200 Message-ID: References: <4679F561.4030600@hacksaw.org> <87d4zomyiw.fsf@red-bean.com> <87fy4kjy0k.fsf@red-bean.com> <86645gjsng.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> <86y7icibwc.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1182506158 26793 80.91.229.12 (22 Jun 2007 09:55:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2007 09:55:58 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Sascha Wilde , Karl Fogel , Hacksaw , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "David Kastrup" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 11:55:56 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1I1frq-0004fC-DH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 11:55:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1frp-0003VI-Rn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:55:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1frm-0003Ua-6k for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:55:46 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1I1frl-0003UL-OP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:55:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1I1frl-0003UC-I7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:55:45 -0400 Original-Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.233]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1I1frl-0001fn-1j for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 05:55:45 -0400 Original-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h26so812386wxd for ; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:55:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dVx/GdLOeSh0Mlry75Ij6Xz38IH4CgPfkliSE4/9CoEFlpQoW28ueW0lroQYEs6ghsYSwPOVrk1s/CeJxroaxWIK+O/v8g2M3duDV7yRcVGKe2uFvp7iqEGwisQYoTp076MymLTSCRficTsbFgWBZTui2ookbzc3ul6+bPns6II= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ZWZ9vrJ6AikSiZeg/5YsEq6GhV3V+F7DRuU9ohDUpNObR0mKEjZKITB/008zHrOkMEtv815cVm1HNVF8lqXeqjmRO9BD97Lq0pTo0EwJKio1kNUNLjC+JsAziwkCR5OaXct7lD0dWhddeJj0i2W5t+AMbkTXZQzNr5QWqjRZeRM= Original-Received: by 10.90.91.14 with SMTP id o14mr2437651agb.1182506144444; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:55:44 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.90.87.8 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Jun 2007 02:55:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86y7icibwc.fsf@lola.quinscape.zz> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:73604 Archived-At: On 6/22/07, David Kastrup wrote: > That sounds to me as sensible as putting the cat habitually in a > garbage bin temporarily, then complaining that the garbage men do not > even take a look at what they are taking away, since garbage should be > declared to be garbage by virtue of a voluntary act, not just by > sitting in the garbage bin. Irrelevant, I think. I don't know anyone who puts the cat in the garbage bin. I know people who lost data (code, in fact) because he forgot that had been hacking around in *scratch*. David, this is Juanma. Juanma, David. Nice to meet you. I think Karl said it best: "[...] the failure mode of the status quo is much more severe than the failure mode of being asked to save scratch work that you don't want to save." > If people use *scratch* for creating documents, lisp-interaction-mode > is the wrong mode, anyway. I don't often create documents in *scratch*, but I do hack code that I'm unsure whether to add to some package (or my .emacs) or not. That seems a sensible use of *scratch*. You insist on talking about erroneous uses of *scratch*, while I think the issue is accidental exiting of Emacs even when you're using *scratch* for its intended goal. Juanma