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From: "Juanma Barranquero" <lekktu@gmail.com>
To: "Drew Adams" <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: display.texi: (<line>,<col>) isn't documented.
Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2007 19:42:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f7ccd24b0706071042q1b5fc585rc86480a2a64c1834@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <EIENLHALHGIMHGDOLMIMKEDHDCAA.drew.adams@oracle.com>

On 6/7/07, Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> wrote:

> Some people have said that it is obvious that line comes before column. I
> don't see why that's obvious

As Lennart and others have explained, because it is customary to refer
first to more important things, and lines are more fundamental when
dealing with an Emacs buffer than columns. It is a bigger movement to
advance a line than a column. line-number-mode is enabled by default,
column-number-mode is not.

> 12:25 can be confused with a time. 12-25 can be confused with a range of
> some kind (12 through 25). 12.25 can be confused with a decimal number.

12/25 can be confused with? A rational number? :)

> Uppercase letters such as L and C are hard to separate visually from the
> digits. Using l and c risks confusion between l and 1.

Use "r" (for rows) and "c". 25r32c is still horrible, though.

> In a buffer, horizontal and vertical positions
> can only mean lines and columns, however (unless one is thinking pixels).

That is true, but it doesn't mean that going from x,y to row,column
(or column,row :) is intuitive at all.

> It's true that y suggests increasing values toward the top, but practice
> would soon put the lie to that association.

That's true for every format described in this tread, even the "Ln vs.
Cn vs. (l,c)" style that we have now.

> but I can live with any of the
> proposals, including what we have now.

Same here. I won't be using it anyway.

             Juanma

  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-06-07 17:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-06-05 23:19 display.texi: (<line>,<col>) isn't documented Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-06 16:59 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 17:36   ` mode line: 1) indicate region size, if active; 2) highlight column # if > limit Drew Adams
2007-06-06 17:44     ` David House
2007-06-06 18:19       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-06 18:26         ` David House
2007-06-06 18:41         ` chad brown
2007-06-08  7:12         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-22 23:13     ` Drew Adams
2007-06-23 13:19       ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-23 19:52         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-24 14:40           ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-06 19:44   ` display.texi: (<line>,<col>) isn't documented David Kastrup
2007-06-06 20:07     ` Stefan Monnier
2007-06-06 20:09     ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-06 21:27       ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-07 15:12         ` Drew Adams
2007-06-07 15:17           ` David House
2007-06-07 15:30             ` Drew Adams
2007-06-07 15:40               ` Lennart Borgman (gmail)
2007-06-07 15:42               ` David House
2007-06-07 15:35           ` Juanma Barranquero
2007-06-07 15:44             ` David House
2007-06-07 15:45             ` Thomas Hühn
2007-06-07 15:49           ` Andreas Schwab
2007-06-07 16:15             ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-06-07 17:18               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-07 17:28                 ` Thomas Hühn
2007-06-07 17:42                 ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2007-06-07 19:39                   ` Jay Belanger
2007-06-07 20:17                     ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-07 18:13                 ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-06-07 20:26                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-07 21:20                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-07 21:33                   ` Davis Herring
2007-06-08 14:24                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08 15:09                   ` Drew Adams
2007-06-09 20:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-09 20:35                       ` Drew Adams
2007-06-09 21:34                         ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-10 15:02                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-10 23:24                             ` Johan Bockgård
2007-06-11  9:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11 17:21                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-13  8:07                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-13  8:07                                 ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-10 13:18                         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-10 15:15                           ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11  3:40                             ` Miles Bader
2007-06-11  5:32                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-11  9:44                             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-11  9:50                               ` David House
2007-06-11 17:30                               ` Drew Adams
2007-06-08  7:11         ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  7:26           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2007-06-08  8:15             ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-08  9:42               ` David House
2007-06-09  9:45             ` Richard Stallman
2007-06-08  8:11           ` Kim F. Storm
2007-06-08  8:38             ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-08 20:05               ` Dieter Wilhelm
2007-06-08  8:48             ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-06 21:57     ` Stephen Berman
2007-06-07  5:05     ` Werner LEMBERG
2007-06-10  8:35     ` Daniel Brockman
2007-06-10 14:27       ` Juri Linkov
2007-06-06 23:53   ` Jay Belanger
2007-06-07  0:07     ` David Kastrup
2007-06-07  0:08     ` Nick Roberts
2007-06-08 12:06   ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-07  8:23 ` tomas
2007-06-07 17:25   ` Alan Mackenzie
2007-06-08  8:26     ` tomas

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