From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: EmacsW32 invocation options Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 12:51:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <59osrdF2m97hgU1@mid.individual.net> <4637A396.9000300@gmail.com> <46383B57.6050508@gmail.com> <4638EE03.8000602@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178189533 29571 80.91.229.12 (3 May 2007 10:52:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 10:52:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: "Kim F. Storm" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 03 12:52:11 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HjYuw-0008FO-Rv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 12:52:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjZ1S-0000vY-67 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 06:58:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HjZ1F-0000uy-PY for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 06:58:41 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HjZ1E-0000uL-Tg for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 06:58:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjZ1E-0000u8-Ni for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 06:58:40 -0400 Original-Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.236]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HjYui-0007DB-40 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 06:51:56 -0400 Original-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s17so413661wxc for ; Thu, 03 May 2007 03:51:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=BVOG6bVxoYmVIUz6QqUaJXuerJa4Y6p3FMYDYe3iz7feFOGjuc2c/182AlSOz37L4C/0J9W3GcBnr2SCQfKsLWY68Zp3K0BQQPOEMnVwEbnf14Y15ogyZ8PyANsqOCmyZSAyXygSidcp3FprTSKgLjdrjdV8+3EMu+ImcNFvoyI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UR2aGDaoj2SC45AKYX69PPyJGxvHocVS2lqYrtLtpz++qZgJ02Tw4fNto9eTyHzG1JmN5Ob/8fOcHdCsgHp41oAjrQx/HdpCx/j8DjVMCKo7m1bvJ+O+sULtsga2TRa6/zXRN9eJAX83E3QCSoCZyQpqB5p69len9EG6zwe44rU= Original-Received: by 10.90.78.9 with SMTP id a9mr1505110agb.1178189514799; Thu, 03 May 2007 03:51:54 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.90.87.8 with HTTP; Thu, 3 May 2007 03:51:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43588 Archived-At: On 5/3/07, Kim F. Storm wrote: > That's the "risk" of free software ... somebody taking what you've written, > modify it (as the license permits), and release it as a modified version, > offering you (and everybody else) the patches to make your version "comply". Let me see... Hmm... I think I already knew that :) > I don't see how someone using the freedom of GPL should be accused of > being destructive, just because he does something you don't approve of. I think it is destructive. I don't think it is destructive "just because" I don't approve of it; I think it is destructive because developer resources are scarce. I'm sure the XEmacs folk are a bunch of very nice guys, but I see the GNU Emacs/XEmacs split as destructive all the same. And BTW, perhaps you skipped the following bit from Lennart to Eli, or you do not consider it relevant: > And I have told that many times, in different words. Still you > are continuing saying that I am "actively promoting a variant > of Emacs". In my opinion that is a bit destructive. Are you going to call him to task, too, for describing Eli's opinion as destructive...? :) > I can fully understand why Lennart would prefer his changes to be adopted > into the core (it's no fun to maintain your "own distro") Of course. I, personally, have committed changes *by* Lennart *to* emacsclient: 2006-11-22 Lennart Borgman * emacsclient.c: Include . [WINDOWSNT]: Include . (w32_check_console_app): New function. (message): New function. (decode_options, print_help_and_exit, fail, main) (initialize_sockets, get_server_config, set_tcp_socket) (set_local_socket, set_socket): Use message(). so it's not like I'm opposed to either Lennart or Lennart's ideas. I'm just disagreeing on some of them (and his timing). > then IMO it is > fine -- and fully legal -- for him to make his own distro. It is of course fully legal (at least once he made the source tarballs for some utilities more readily accessible). "Fine", well, that's your opinion. Mine is different. > BTW, IMO, Lennart is doing a fine job of helping getting the 22.1 > release out by providing (unpatched) W32 binaries for all the pretests. Yes. I don't remember ever saying otherwise. "Unpatched" being the operative word in your comment above. Juanma