From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: EmacsW32 invocation options Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 00:22:47 +0200 Message-ID: References: <59osrdF2m97hgU1@mid.individual.net> <4637A396.9000300@gmail.com> <46383B57.6050508@gmail.com> <4638EE03.8000602@gmail.com> <87mz0nq8od.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1178144591 10640 80.91.229.12 (2 May 2007 22:23:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Hadron Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 03 00:23:10 2007 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HjNE0-0005vt-6j for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 00:23:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjNKS-0004XC-1N for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 18:29:44 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HjNKG-0004X6-B4 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 18:29:32 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1HjNKD-0004Wu-QR for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 18:29:31 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1HjNKD-0004Wr-NX for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 18:29:29 -0400 Original-Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.227]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1HjNDl-0002ZT-3L for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 18:22:49 -0400 Original-Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id s17so284063wxc for ; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:22:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rMN9a1gYp0YYTfv0wHFPSXonpLsZNHmDiU+QEoPIoIAaaSUKItD7yH81OGneCyCHWGogI1441uUwlFQO73VazXMHj6o6esonLE31qRRa/Qp8gHe2Kr8jsGfjuyxT+nTfekSrHo3i4+HFMRZMf9hjJiSbT9OJD6E99Sr/F1Gwbkg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NXd4bah0ILDUrndpg3vHitWRYXqqduDFdirmY6+Ygp/DMhle4cQQ1JJk0maRxlAkAwukGZ+PlPNJ/sd4lmOGSUaBOizp86nDgvVzu8VMtWl5fQls9yzLFLdMTNNDvNQgI4XJEU7HUy6jmbAO2F8y3yAULbNaSOXAXUKfvv7Vc18= Original-Received: by 10.90.72.10 with SMTP id u10mr1257515aga.1178144568079; Wed, 02 May 2007 15:22:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.90.87.8 with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2007 15:22:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87mz0nq8od.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:43554 Archived-At: On 5/2/07, Hadron wrote: > A brief browse of forums and the emacs irc channel suggests that most/a > good % of people do indeed find it daunting to get emacs working under > windows. Do you mean, more people find it daunting to get Emacs working on Windows than on GNU/Linux? > I am surprised you would disagree. What is simple to you is not > necessarily simple for complete newbies - most of whom I would guess run > Windows. The kind of things that make Emacs difficult are not going to disappear by making emacsclient start Emacs. A complete newbie must be ready to delve into a (very good, but extensive) documentation, and perhaps even do some elisp programming, to take full advantage of Emacs. > By far the most important thing to > instill in any emacs apprentice is to learn how to use the built in > help. Exactly. I did three attempts over the years before I finally warmed to Emacs. The definitive push was taking the time to follow the tutorial and read at least some of the docs. Juanma