From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Juanma Barranquero" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: National Language Support Functions Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:51:36 +0100 Message-ID: References: <458AB581.7090303@student.lu.se> <459536C5.4090503@gmail.com> <45957190.9030801@student.lu.se> <45957F23.8040409@gmail.com> <45958D3B.4060207@gmail.com> <45959540.407@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1167436317 5049 80.91.229.12 (29 Dec 2006 23:51:57 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 23:51:57 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 30 00:51:55 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1H0RVx-0006uj-SX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:51:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0RVx-0005SD-E1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:51:53 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0RVk-0005R8-Ol for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:51:40 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1H0RVj-0005QV-5e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:51:39 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1H0RVi-0005Q7-SH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:51:38 -0500 Original-Received: from [64.233.182.188] (helo=nf-out-0910.google.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1H0RVi-0005hg-EK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 18:51:38 -0500 Original-Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id d4so5831028nfe for ; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:51:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=q+kX6W+9ytbZd10f24XQsc5uvuYieDIEh7lUxRyy6Eq2CwZ7sS7qS3bsuP0vy6cjV2YDTnX6UtTAxgCbARRI3qlPiuzPTQugGgmwnGj8LPL+iRm0jUHa1X7t7/Llgf+H9zhDH2gedzwpgjOo7Ck0FtOubBvpoh0r59sCE0G/Li4= Original-Received: by 10.82.169.4 with SMTP id r4mr1147203bue.1167436297157; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:51:37 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.82.147.2 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Dec 2006 15:51:36 -0800 (PST) Original-To: "Lennart Borgman (gmail)" In-Reply-To: <45959540.407@gmail.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:64464 Archived-At: On 12/29/06, Lennart Borgman (gmail) wrote: > Please explain a little bit more. You're saying to users that (with your patch) it will work "more like [it does] usually in MS Windows programs", not explaining why Emacs does things differently, nor how (or why) that could be good. Little wonder they prefer it "like MS Windows programs". > You mean that they read my text that way? Yes, maybe the main reason is > lack of agreement that these patches are really needed. Then what do you > expect me to do? I expect nothing. I'm explaining why I think the language on your page is reason enough for people to choose your patched version. > Though I am getting tired of > saying things over and over again. That's part of the process of convincing people and getting patches approved. > What about that patch that tells > Emacs to save the changes when a user logs off? I included that in my > patched version nearly half a year ago since I did not want to loose my > work. Is it included in Emacs today? Why was not included? Was it deemed unnecessary, or wrong, or it just fell off the wayside? > The low level keyboard hook that allows Emacs to use the left and right > windows keys as Emacs meta key should in my opinion be a very > uncontroversial issue. That's quite a weird claim. On one hand you're championing Windows UI guidelines compliance; on the other, you want Emacs to steal one of the Windows keys, which is an uncommon thing for Windows programs to do. Win+R or Win+E do execute Run and Windows Explorer even if typed inside Notepad or Microsoft Word. > but it is hard for me to understand why it should be > scary to use a low level keyboard hook. I looked at your low-level hook code once; it wasn't scary. It was just complex for little gain. /L/e/k/t/u