From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Juanma Barranquero Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: thumbs.el and transparency Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:26:33 +0100 Message-ID: References: <17366.53124.274532.548329@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <17369.17978.521026.397616@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <17369.59246.383626.699005@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> <17372.1305.835753.613893@kahikatea.snap.net.nz> NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1138699648 18661 80.91.229.2 (31 Jan 2006 09:27:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 09:27:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 31 10:27:27 2006 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3rnD-0001WM-Db for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 10:27:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3rqD-0003xJ-BT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:30:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F3rpY-0003vA-Kp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:29:44 -0500 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1F3rpW-0003qk-2l for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:29:43 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1F3rpV-0003qP-Oe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:29:41 -0500 Original-Received: from [66.249.92.199] (helo=uproxy.gmail.com) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F3rny-0003M8-0L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 04:28:06 -0500 Original-Received: by uproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id j3so162686ugf for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:26:33 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=ql+xvVS0PDt17xWQ1xOAnmL/cgAowMTEC5CyjVVIv2xlv3lmA0Q0Y6fCqP9ezgEBB/eMdbemVGVSEhKa3K+kjDVOVY7OzIx3vICkOUg/wuD18Yw2ag7IT4lMz54xtfgvZ0V/pdRG4XUhLbpOziauusocE1XhAZqxFM3ft8TUrsA= Original-Received: by 10.48.220.3 with SMTP id s3mr1014078nfg; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:26:33 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.48.42.15 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 01:26:33 -0800 (PST) Original-To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: Content-Disposition: inline X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:49811 Archived-At: > Adding a package that has been working fine on its own > is a pretty safe change. Perhaps. Or perhaps we will find during the pretest (should it happen) that it has its own set of problems. But that does not invalidate what I said: we have lengthy discussions for small featurettes involving twenty lines of code, and suddenly we add almost 14,000. That's not a freeze. Or, if *is* a freeze by your definition, I don't find it a very consistent definition. I have nothing against erc, nor against its inclusion in Emacs. I just would like to see a real freeze, and a planned date of release (not necessarily public), even if we miss it by a mile. We've "missed" it already by two or three years, I'd say. A few months ago I joked that I would eat my Emacs reference card if we get to release 22.1 before 2007. Suddenly it seems less and less like a joke to me... -- /L/e/k/t/u