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From: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: mouse-1-click-follows-link
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 10:37:04 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f7ccd24b0506140137713ceeed@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <17070.36649.525270.871681@farnswood.snap.net.nz>

> Its not the changes that are going into Emacs that are holding up the release.
> Its the requirement that all the items in the file FOR-RELEASE are completed
> first.

Perhaps. Still, in the past month or so there have been quite a few
comments about the success of the freeze (or lack thereof).

> That's Richard's choice, and clearly its his prerogative

Of course.

> but completion of the list might take a long time.  If we fork now then every
> change that is considered to be a bug fix will have to be applied to both the
> head and the branch and it still won't speed up the release.

That it won't speed up the release is your opinion, and it's clear I
don't agree. There's no way to know who's right. What *is* clear is
that the current procedures do *not* induce speedy releases. As
discussed several times before, many projects, some with far fewer
people than this, do just fine with forking to prepare a release and
let people do new developments on the trunk. And in these projects,
people backports bugfixes to the release branch too.

And, as you say, completion of the list might take a long time; so
there's a kind of pressure on people to apply small new features to
the trunk. When I left Emacs development a year ago, the freeze was
already in place. I just don't want to count how many new features
have been installed since then.

All in all, I don't know what's the perfect answer. No one knows. But
I do feel than there's something wrong with a project the size and
importance of Emacs holding new features for three and a half years
(and counting). 21.1 was released on October, 21, 2001. So perhaps
it's time to think what's wrong with our release process, and "people
doesn't want to work on the issues important for the release" just
doesn't cut it: I don't think Emacs developers are very different from
other projects' people.

-- 
                    /L/e/k/t/u

  reply	other threads:[~2005-06-14  8:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 120+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-06-10 23:21 mouse-1-click-follows-link Nick Roberts
2005-06-11  1:56 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Daniel Brockman
2005-06-11  9:55   ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Nick Roberts
2005-06-11 16:21     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Daniel Brockman
2005-06-12  7:51       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Nick Roberts
2005-06-12 19:57         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-13 16:19         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Drew Adams
2005-06-13 18:51           ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-13 20:15             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Drew Adams
2005-06-13 20:49               ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-13 21:50                 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link David Kastrup
2005-06-13 22:07                   ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-13 22:18                     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link David Kastrup
2005-06-14  2:03                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Miles Bader
2005-06-14  5:53                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Lennart Borgman
2005-06-14  7:03                           ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-14 20:06                             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Lennart Borgman
2005-06-13 22:28                     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-14  8:02                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Nick Roberts
2005-06-14  8:37                         ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2005-06-14 12:29                           ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Mathias Dahl
2005-06-14 12:43                             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link David Kastrup
2005-06-14 12:54                               ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Mathias Dahl
2005-06-14 13:21                                 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-14 13:14                             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-14 21:58                           ` What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link) Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-14 22:54                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-15  2:13                               ` John S. Yates, Jr.
2005-06-15  3:37                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-15  7:29                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-15 13:06                                 ` What holds the release Mathias Dahl
2005-06-15  3:12                               ` What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link) Miles Bader
2005-06-15  7:36                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-15  8:05                                   ` Miles Bader
2005-06-15  8:23                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-15 15:05                                     ` Chong Yidong
2005-06-15 16:21                                       ` What holds the release Stefan Monnier
2005-06-20  3:50                                         ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-16 16:24                                       ` What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link) Richard Stallman
2005-06-20  3:50                                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-16  4:07                                   ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-16  7:51                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-15  3:35                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-15  7:40                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-15 18:37                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-15 17:49                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-16  4:08                               ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-16  8:09                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-16 10:48                                   ` What holds the release David Kastrup
2005-06-16 12:39                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-16 15:22                                       ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2005-06-16 19:43                                   ` What holds the release (was: mouse-1-click-follows-link) Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-16 21:08                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-17  4:38                                   ` Richard Stallman
2005-06-14 21:48                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Eli Zaretskii
2005-06-14 22:20                           ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juanma Barranquero
2005-06-13 22:47                     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Stefan Monnier
2005-06-13 23:29                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Drew Adams
2005-06-14  1:26                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Daniel Brockman
2005-06-14 14:04                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Stefan Monnier
2005-06-14  2:25                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link David Abrahams
2005-06-14  6:00                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Lennart Borgman
2005-06-14 18:08                           ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Drew Adams
2005-06-14 20:25                             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Stefan Monnier
2005-06-14 20:42                               ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Drew Adams
2005-06-15 16:26                             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Drew Adams
2005-06-15 20:34                               ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Daniel Brockman
2005-06-16  4:08                             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-14  7:28                 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Kim F. Storm
2005-06-14  8:36                   ` mouse-1-click-follows-link David Kastrup
2005-06-13 20:35             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-14  7:27               ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Kim F. Storm
2005-06-14 11:32                 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-14 11:56                   ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Kim F. Storm
2005-06-15 14:46                   ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-15 14:56                     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Kim F. Storm
2005-06-15 15:07                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Lennart Borgman
2005-06-15 16:26                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Drew Adams
2005-06-16 16:24                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-15 16:45                     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-17 12:17                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juri Linkov
2005-06-17 13:08                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-17 18:46                           ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-17 22:26                             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-18 11:11                             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Robert J. Chassell
2005-06-18 13:54                               ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juri Linkov
2005-06-17 13:34                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Nick Roberts
2005-06-17 18:46                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-18 13:54                           ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juri Linkov
2005-06-19  3:51                             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-19 13:03                               ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juri Linkov
2005-06-20  3:50                                 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-17 12:04                     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juri Linkov
2005-06-17 18:46                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-14  2:02             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Miles Bader
2005-06-14 13:35               ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Robert J. Chassell
2005-06-14 15:00                 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Daniel Brockman
2005-06-14 19:26                   ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Robert J. Chassell
2005-06-15 14:46                     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-15 17:27                       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link David Abrahams
2005-06-15 18:56                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link David Kastrup
2005-06-15 19:06                           ` mouse-1-click-follows-link David Abrahams
2005-06-16 16:23                         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-15 14:46                     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-14 19:29                 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Lennart Borgman
2005-06-13 22:19           ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Nick Roberts
2005-06-13 23:07             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link David Kastrup
2005-06-13 23:30             ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Drew Adams
2005-06-11 23:16     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-12  7:56       ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Nick Roberts
2005-06-12 19:57         ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-06-13  6:06     ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Juri Linkov
2005-06-11 23:16 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-06-17 14:42 mouse-1-click-follows-link LENNART BORGMAN
2005-06-17 15:36 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Stefan Monnier
2005-06-17 13:44 mouse-1-click-follows-link LENNART BORGMAN
2005-06-17 13:59 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Jason Rumney
2005-06-17 18:46 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Richard Stallman
2005-01-01 16:43 mouse-1-click-follows-link Piet van Oostrum
2005-01-06 22:11 ` mouse-1-click-follows-link Kim F. Storm

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