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Thu, 12 Dec 2019 03:08:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83blse9kbj.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:173216 Archived-At: On 12.12.2019 7:36, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Juri Linkov >> Cc:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,38457@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2019 01:24:30 +0200 >> >> The problem is in usability: it would be very annoying if the message >> displayed at the end of the minibuffer's contents would not vanish >> after some time. minibuffer-message removes the message >> after 2 sec by default. > But 'message' always behaved this way, so using a timeout is change in > behavior, whereas my proposal leaves the behavior unchanged, and just > makes the prompt still visible, so it avoids confusing the user. User > confusion was the main issue that triggered the series of changes we > are discussing, and it will be resolved by my proposal. I think that makes a lot of sense. Since the minibuffer is not obscured, there is no such urgency to remove the message on a timer, and it might even be better for usability to keep it. Backward compatibility also requires that.