From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Glenn Morris Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: More metaproblem Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:39:33 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20141203142859.24393.98673@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <20141203192721.GE12748@thyrsus.com> <547F6774.50700@cs.ucla.edu> <838uio5vjw.fsf@gnu.org> <20141203211447.GB15111@thyrsus.com> <871toge5zw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> <83388v6hsq.fsf@gnu.org> <87egsftgd5.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83egsf3yci.fsf@gnu.org> <87iohq6nvn.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> <83mw722eit.fsf@gnu.org> <87egse56hb.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417804974 3772 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 18:42:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 18:42:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, Eli Zaretskii , eggert@cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Karl Fogel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 19:42:50 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwxq5-0000Mx-0A for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 19:42:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52014 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwxq4-00034b-Kl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:42:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60817) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwxmy-0007y5-BW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:39:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwxmx-0003rw-45 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:39:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:50969) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwxmw-0003rs-N9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:39:35 -0500 Original-Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xwxmv-0005bp-M3; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 13:39:33 -0500 X-Spook: Medco JUWTF ANDVT 9/11 rs9512c colonel Bletchley Park X-Ran: &(|{5[C(4Rwi]ZIZI=YX[-W|^RiEqOmjk]B4K|SmKh\\/j74^H)~{VvadXYoBd1[jp`Hk- X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM In-Reply-To: <87egse56hb.fsf@ktab.red-bean.com> (Karl Fogel's message of "Fri, 05 Dec 2014 11:52:48 -0600") User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:178982 Archived-At: Karl Fogel wrote: > The barrier to the bug tracker change is well-documented on this list; > you're probably seen those conversations. Explicit proposals to move > off debbugs have been made [citation needed] Mentioning Launchpad is not an explicit proposal. > and have been equally explicitly shot down on the grounds that debbugs > is easier for senior maintainers who are already familiar with it. I have put a lot of work into debbugs.gnu.org. I didn't much like it when we got it, but it was the system we had, so I did work to make it better. Because although many people were making a lot of noise, as usual not many people were doing anything. In terms of using it, I've closed well over 1000 bugs. It integrates pretty well with Emacs IMO, in part thanks to the add-ons other developers have written. If you want to replace it with something better, fine by me. I'd find your arguments more compelling if you had contributed more to Emacs, but perhaps the existing systems make it impossible for you to do so. I take Stefan concerns with the tracker much more seriously. But I have no energy left to make it any better. Some other GNU projects are using debbugs.gnu.org, so my work won't be totally wasted. This and other discussions have pretty much demotivated me, so I hope whatever new system you put in place works well for whoever is left to use it. Taking the weekend off now.