From: Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?"
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 08:37:29 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <f5f00bc9-cbf3-421e-a48e-260fa97390cf@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2028.1375109070.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
On Monday, July 29, 2013 8:16:05 PM UTC+5:30, Jambunathan K wrote:
> Personally, my first love with Emacs was when someone showed M-q to me
> and the most uglily indented text aligned nicely between the margins.
I started using emacs in the early 90s because I wanted something better than an interactive shell for teaching interaction with a (pre)haskell interpreter. Dunno if comint mode existed then -- I at least did not know about it.
Wrote my own mode which used to crash not just emacs but even linux in interesting ways! Couple of years later, found scheme-mode written on top of comint and search-n-replaced it for my purposes.
> Specifically, if someone is interested in introducing Emacs to a
> non-Emacs user, what strategies should they adopt to maximize their
> chances of having a new convert. I welcome any insights from both the
> victors and the vanquished on the "Convert to or introduce Emacs
> battle".
Find myself increasingly on the vanquished side nowadays.
This has many sides: For one I can corroborate Emanuel's observation that today's kids are more 'spoilt' -- as google gives more and more, attention-span gets less and less.
I am frequently asked to use something more 'modern/reasonable' etc than emacs (eclipse/sublime-text etc).
Some of the reasons are simply noob-acclimatization issues like tutorial uses C-f/b/n/p instead of cursor keys, non-use of cua keystrokes etc.
However some things are from the pov of an old user more crucial:
- poor support for refactoring
- poor support for mainstream languages like java
which make it quite hard to sell emacs in an eclipse-d world.
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2013-07-29 13:05 Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Emanuel Berg
2013-07-29 14:46 ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-30 10:10 ` Chris Van Dusen
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2013-07-30 22:09 ` Emanuel Berg
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2013-07-29 15:37 ` Rustom Mody [this message]
2013-07-29 16:01 ` Phillip Lord
2013-07-30 6:27 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-07-30 15:22 ` Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
2013-07-30 15:31 ` Aurélien DESBRIÈRES
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2013-07-30 16:44 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-30 18:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 18:01 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 11:38 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.2041.1375113728.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 11:47 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.2077.1375165681.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 11:56 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-29 19:38 ` Barry Margolin
2013-07-30 12:00 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 12:27 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-30 14:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 15:08 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.2155.1375196921.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 15:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 21:19 ` Barry Margolin
2013-07-30 21:33 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-31 4:47 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-31 6:23 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-31 18:11 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-31 19:19 ` drain
2013-07-31 19:20 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 14:39 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 15:21 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 15:27 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 15:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-08-01 16:18 ` Drew Adams
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2013-08-01 16:08 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 16:43 ` Óscar Fuentes
2013-08-01 16:44 ` Stefan Monnier
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2013-08-01 20:48 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-03 1:01 ` drain
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2013-08-03 10:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-04 21:23 ` drain
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2013-08-05 8:36 ` LaTeX (was: Re: Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?") Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 16:31 ` Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" Emanuel Berg
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2013-08-01 16:33 ` Barry Margolin
2013-08-01 17:52 ` Rustom Mody
2013-08-01 16:41 ` Emanuel Berg
[not found] ` <mailman.2251.1375298397.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-01 14:17 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-08-01 15:19 ` Luca Ferrari
2013-08-01 18:40 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-08-01 20:28 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 15:34 ` Phillip Lord
[not found] ` <mailman.2161.1375198462.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-30 16:53 ` Rustom Mody
2013-07-31 0:49 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-31 12:10 ` Phillip Lord
2013-07-31 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.2222.1375272627.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-08-01 7:40 ` R development environment Sebastien Vauban
2013-08-01 10:44 ` Phillip Lord
2013-07-31 0:47 ` Emacs history, and "Is Emacs difficult to learn?" gottlieb
[not found] ` <mailman.2194.1375231670.12400.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2013-07-31 0:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 21:50 ` Emanuel Berg
2013-07-30 10:10 ` Emanuel Berg
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