From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Elena Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: c/c++ project management and debugging Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 05:51:52 -0800 (PST) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: <4D0F4058.6050101@gmail.com> <038dfa58-3e80-4c49-bbd0-c1bbb16c41f1@j25g2000vbs.googlegroups.com> <87bp4ex0a4.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <7e99bd12-91df-4cc2-bfc9-576df4c5283b@i18g2000yqn.googlegroups.com> <87k4j2uohx.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <6d58027e-6ed1-41f6-8653-fbcd42236b68@w2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <764bbebd-1038-4902-9ddb-72aafa6958c3@32g2000yqz.googlegroups.com> <87bp4eukfm.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> <877hf2ue54.fsf@kuiper.lan.informatimago.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1293028836 27898 80.91.229.12 (22 Dec 2010 14:40:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:40:36 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 22 15:40:31 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1PVPrh-0008G5-JE for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:40:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44852 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1PVPrh-0002Hb-3w for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2010 09:40:29 -0500 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!k25g2000vbl.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 27 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 89.96.190.244 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1293025915 1595 127.0.0.1 (22 Dec 2010 13:51:55 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 13:51:55 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: k25g2000vbl.googlegroups.com; posting-host=89.96.190.244; posting-account=AFCLjAoAAABJAOf_HjgEEEi3ty-lG5m2 User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 Firefox/3.6.13,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:183547 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:77790 Archived-At: On Dec 22, 1:32=A0pm, "Pascal J. Bourguignon" wrote: > Elena writes: > > Andrea Crotti writes: > >> > Elena writes: > > >> >> Forgot to mention: neither "C-g" does break the hang nor the hang > >> >> happens whenever I issue some specific command. =A0Thus your debugg= er, > >> >> REPL and whole lisp development environment can't help. =A0You'd ne= ed a > >> >> powerful IDE to debug such intricate cases. > > >> > Frankly that's just bullshit. > >> > Do you think an IDE could help you to solve problems with Emacs? > > > Of course it would. =A0Tracing, profiling and similar tools are > > available for languages which are more powerful than extension > > languages. > > They are REQUIRED to be able to work with languages that are LESS > powerful than lisp. This is not the case. I have a problem which would be dead-easy to spot by using a tracer and a profiler. Emacs Lisp lacks the former, and that's fine since it is an extension language, not a language to develop complex applications.