From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17983: 24.4.50; digit keys in *Messages* unhelpful, hang Emacs, etc. Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2014 19:35:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1404959798 24539 80.91.229.3 (10 Jul 2014 02:36:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:36:38 +0000 (UTC) To: 17983@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 10 04:36:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Dk-0005NX-NL for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 04:36:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35288 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Dk-0008Px-Ac for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:36:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39999) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54DV-0008KJ-Lj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:36:24 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54DL-0007o6-9H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:36:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36711) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54DL-0007o1-4T for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:36:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X54DK-0005mu-I7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:36:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 17983 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.140495974722218 (code B ref -1); Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:36:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2014 02:35:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X54D4-0005mH-Eo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:38192) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X54D0-0005ly-El for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:43 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Ck-0007lS-QG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:37 -0400 Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:33390) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Ck-0007lO-NF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39839) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54Cb-0007bp-Ty for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54CT-0007is-63 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:17 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:28841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X54CS-0007iT-V6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 09 Jul 2014 22:35:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s6A2Z6vW013745 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:35:07 GMT Original-Received: from userz7021.oracle.com (userz7021.oracle.com [156.151.31.85]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6A2Z5k3016627 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:35:06 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s6A2Z5Eb016621 for ; Thu, 10 Jul 2014 02:35:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:91361 Archived-At: emacs -Q C-x b *Messages* C-h k 7 Tells you that 7 is bound to `digit-argument'. Why? It should NOT be. It is useful to be able to write text in *Messages*, e.g., to set off or group sets of debug messages. There is no need for digit N to be a short cut for C-u N in buffer *Messages*. C-x C-q ; Make the buffer writable Unfortunately, Emacs has recently screwed *Messages* so that most keys are not self-inserting. This was misguided. Be that as it may... C-q H C-q e C-q l C-q p C-q ! Painful, but OK so far. Now try this: C-q 7 Nothing. Nada. C-q 7 C-q 7 C-q 7. You see ^G inserted each time (except the first) that you hit C-q (not when you hit 7), because 7 acts as a prefix arg for the following ^Q. Wunderbar. A feature, no doubt. C-q 7 7 7. Now Emacs is hosed - in Neverneverland. ESC ESC ESC no good; C-g no good. No mouse, no keys, nada. And no CPU use. Just hosed. The only recourse is to kill the Emacs task from the Windows Task Manager. OK, you might not see this freezing behavior each time. Sometimes C-g does quit OK, as does C-b, muose-1 etc. Hit C-q and then hold 7 down for a few seconds, then C-g. If Emacs is not frozen solid and C-g works then you get helpful feedback such as this: Quit user-error: A-C-H-M-S-s- is not a valid character Other times, Emacs freezes solid. Regardless of whether it freezes each time, if you hit C-q and then 7 one or more times there is no feedback - already a no-no (bug). C-q should simply quote the 7, as it should quote other characters you type (including ^U, BTW). Trying to "improve" *Messages* for Emacs 24 was misguided. It is far less useful now than it was before. Is there even one change that was made that represents progress - something useful? Please consider reverting it to what it was since Day One. Barring that requested return to sanity, please at least fix the C-q behavior. Thx. In GNU Emacs 24.4.50.1 (i686-pc-mingw32) of 2014-06-28 on ODIEONE Bzr revision: 117431 rgm@gnu.org-20140628015517-eku6hj8mpgcvfnso Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 6.1.7601 Configured using: `configure --prefix=3D/c/Devel/emacs/snapshot/trunk --enable-checking=3Dyes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=3D-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=3D-Lc:/Devel/emacs/lib 'CPPFLAGS=3D-DGC_MCHECK=3D1 -Ic:/Devel/emacs/include''