From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: participation & contribution [was: Latest changes with lisp/uni-*.el and leim/quail] Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 16:37:19 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <83txew8m9v.fsf@gnu.org> <837gbr8uxa.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385771863 12355 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2013 00:37:43 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:37:43 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs development discussions To: Dani Moncayo Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 30 01:37:47 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VmYZ8-0003lY-D9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 01:37:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50474 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmYZ7-0003q1-Pm for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:37:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56919) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmYYw-0003pq-W6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:37:43 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmYYo-0001iY-Cc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:37:34 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:45479) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VmYYo-0001iN-5n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2013 19:37:26 -0500 Original-Received: from ucsinet21.oracle.com (ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1) with ESMTP id rAU0bMnt027426 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:37:23 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAU0bLL9017167 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:37:22 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id rAU0bLUu029120; Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:37:21 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet21.oracle.com [156.151.31.93] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165912 Archived-At: > 1. A user that provides feedback/bug reports is valuable, even if he > doesn't submit patches. > > 2. A user that also submit patches is even more valuable, even if he > doesn't commit them. > > 3. A user that also commit his patches is even (a little) more valuable. >=20 > Currently I'm at level 2. It's better than nothing, isn't it? +1, for drawing attention to the worth of #1 and #2. But these are not *levels*. And the "more" and "even (a little) more" are inappropriate here. All sincere effort can be helpful. It makes no sense to quantify either the effort spent or the resulting improvement, especially based only on the type of activity. Spending 1/2 hour providing feedback + 1/2 hour committing code is not necessarily more helpful than spending 1 hour providing feedback (or 1 hour committing code). All time spent is welcome. And the result of the time spent, however long, likewise does not fit into any useful value hierarchy. Sometimes just posing a question can be worth an awful lot. And good feedback can sometimes prevent a lot of needless coding or committing. Lik= ewise, providing Emacs development snapshots that people can test with - that's a great benefit that you provide, IMO. You have N hours to spend. You choose how to spend that time. No one should be trying to tell you how to spend your time, or thinking that what they do with their time is more important than what you choose to do with yours. There are thousands of bugs reported, many (most) with good, careful reports that lie dormant and die neglected. Some people spend lots of their volunteer time fixing Emacs bugs. Others prefer to develop new features and not fix bugs. So what? That's life. It is not constructive to berate volunteers for not doing this or that. Don't let such bullying get you down, Dani. I, for one, am very appreciative of what you do.