From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20697: 25.0.50; Mention `M-x report-emacs-bug' on splash screen Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 17:42:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <874l2az3r3.fsf@mouse.gnus.org> <5d8f820c-4029-45cf-8fd7-b1fc44f8e6e3@default> <5e1c6ad4-5c01-4989-bbcf-7e398ba9ede6@default> <4496bd9e-58ee-45b5-967d-3402ce4999bd@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="180542"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 20697@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 29 02:43:12 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iENIs-000kq4-T7 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Sun, 29 Sep 2019 00:42:14 GMT Original-Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vah1fhmfk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 29 Sep 2019 00:42:14 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0003.oracle.com (abhmp0003.oracle.com [141.146.116.9]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x8T0gBld007401; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 00:42:12 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9394 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1909290005 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9394 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1909290005 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:167555 Archived-At: > I largely agree with what you're saying; thanks for spelling it out. >=20 > I see two options to move forward here: >=20 > 1. Add a new item (or reformulate an old one) on the splash screen. > 2. Add something to the "Contributing" page about feature suggestions. >=20 > I'm not too enthusiastic about option 1, but I've re-attached my patch > which tries to do 2. (They are not mutually exclusive.) >=20 > Any other opinions, please? Thanks for reconsidering, and for working on this. Wrt #1 & #2: Neither is perfect: #1: People breeze past the splash screen. (But see below.) #2: A user needs to have somehow found node (emacs) `Contributing'. Not obvious for a newbie (but see below). Wrt your patch (#2): +1 in favor of it. You might want to say "attracting interest from=20 volunteer Emacs developers", instead of "from one of many" (why one?). Or maybe - why mention two separate hurdles: getting your suggestion "accepted" and getting someone to work on it? Consider just removing that whole sentence, keeping only the first one, which invites suggestions that are clear and that provide a "why". Wrt #1: People might not notice a mention on the splash screen, and even if they do they might not have a clue how to show it again, apart from restarting Emacs. But they might well look into the `Help' menu. The `Help' menu is the most likely place a new user will look for info about how to contribute or contact Emacs developers. Even if they know nothing about Info or how to get to the splash screen, they will find the `Help' menu. On the `Help' menu we have `How to Report a Bug' and `Send Bug Report...'. That's 2 menu items to help users report bugs. The `Help' menu also has an `About Emacs' item that, lo and behold, displays the splash screen, with its link to node `Contributing'. So for both contributing and reporting bugs the `Help' menu is pretty good. Consider one or both of these possibilities, in addition to adding your suggested text to node `Contributing': * Change `Help' > `Send Bug Report' to `Help' > `Report Bug or Suggestion' * Add a `Report Bug or Suggestion' link to the splash screen The menu item `Send Bug Report' invokes `send-emacs-bug-report'. But that's the same command you use to send an enhancement request. It would help if the menu item expressed that. (It would even help if the command name did so.) --- BTW, I don't know why the _first_ of the list of links on the splash page is `Authors'. I'd suggest moving it later or (better, I think) just removing it. It would be good to have `Contributing' as the first link of the list.