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From: Phil Sainty <psainty@orcon.net.nz>
To: "積丹尼 Dan Jacobson" <jidanni@jidanni.org>
Cc: Katsumi Yamaoka <yamaoka@jpl.org>, 38173@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#38173: describe-variable: Also tell user *where* variable was changed
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:56:39 +1300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f4b1fa7e353e39cc19ced2af8f80b8fa@webmail.orcon.net.nz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v9rnx1bi.5.fsf@jidanni.org>

On 2019-11-14 04:06, 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson wrote:
> PS> It still might not have the effect you wanted, though -- it's
> PS> possible to change the apparent / user-facing value of some 
> variables
> PS> without changing the *actual* value of the variable at all.  This 
> is
> PS> because of the internal structure of lists in lisp...
> 
> Sounds like a security / coverup risk. Maybe with the expensive
> global-variable-tracking turned on, describe-variable could double 
> check
> for such tampering upon looking up a variable.

It's not "tampering".  It's just the fundamental nature of lists in lisp
(all dialects of lisp, AFAIK).  You're only seeing it as a concern in 
the
context of a feature which doesn't exist.

It would, I think, be *dramatically* (perhaps prohibitively) more 
expensive
to perform that kind of checking.  This could no longer be done by the
variable-watcher mechanism.  In principle, every time ANY lisp object 
was
modified at all, Emacs would need to check to see whether the object 
(pre-
modification) was a value -- or a nested sub-component, to any arbitrary
depth, of a value -- of ANY variable in the system, so that it could 
register
that the change affected the user-facing value of that variable.


-Phil






  reply	other threads:[~2019-11-13 22:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-11-12  1:14 bug#38173: describe-variable: Also tell user *where* variable was changed 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2019-11-12  2:28 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2019-11-12  2:45   ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2019-11-12 23:10     ` Phil Sainty
2019-11-12 23:28       ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2019-11-13  9:19         ` Phil Sainty
2019-11-13 15:06           ` 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson
2019-11-13 22:56             ` Phil Sainty [this message]
2019-11-14  6:27               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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