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Sun, 17 May 2020 06:59:18 +0000 Original-Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 04H6wnCb142751; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:59:18 GMT Original-Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 312t2w2mx9-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 17 May 2020 06:59:18 +0000 Original-Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 04H6xCaT032325; Sun, 17 May 2020 06:59:12 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4993.0 (x86)] X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9623 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=661 phishscore=1 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005170061 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9623 signatures=668686 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 clxscore=1015 priorityscore=1501 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=677 malwarescore=0 cotscore=-2147483648 lowpriorityscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2004280000 definitions=main-2005170061 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:180436 Archived-At: > > This mode-line indication is not, primarily, about > > showing you the current `ls' switches. It's about > > telling you whether files are sorted by name or time. > > Yeah, I completely understand, but as I wrote to Eli too, to me, dired > buffer itself is an immidate visual feedback. I don't need addtional > information on modeline to tell me if files are sorted alfabetically or > by some other mean. Some of us do need/want that aid. And no, it's not always obvious what the current order is. > So I prefer to save mode-line space for something > else. It is just my personal preference, I have > understanding that other people might have different taste. Indeed; likewise. And I'm in favor of making it easy for different people to get different behavior in this regard. In general, user customization of the mode-line is not simple. When a mode like Dired can offer useful info in the mode-line, in a few chars, it should. And when it can offer users easy ways to change what's shown there and how, it should. That doesn't mean that providing a few simple choices and simple ways to choose will satisfy all user desires in this department. Fortunately ;-).