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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: "Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>,
	"martin rudalics" <rudalics@gmx.at>
Cc: 35564@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#35564: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Tweak dired-do-shell-command warning about "wildcard" characters
Date: Wed, 8 May 2019 15:39:56 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f0e01326-5884-496e-957f-b6cce7343b6d@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <877eb0ptiy.fsf@gmail.com>

> Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> 
> > I don't see any good reason why face `minibuffer-prompt'
> > should be used, especially by default (users can do
> > whatever they like) for situations where there is no
> > active minibuffer, i.e., for prompting situations
> > generally.  It should instead serve as a useful clue
> > that the minibuffer is being used.  (Just one opinion.)
> 
> I'd hazard a guess[1] that this was done to make y-or-n-p and
> yes-or-no-p similar from a UI point of view: they both prompt the user
> for a binary answer, therefore the prompt might as well look the same in
> both situations.
> 
> From what I can tell the use of 'minibuffer-prompt' in minibuffer-less
> situations has enough precedents (the "other clients" Martin mentions)
> that the "minibuffer-" prefix might be considered a historical accident
> by now…

Not an accident.  The "precedents" are themselves bugs,
IMO.  The minibuffer is the minibuffer.  It's important
that users be aware when it is active.  That may not
matter much for `yes-or-no-p', as it insists on "yes"
or "no".  But it is important for the minibuffer in
general.  The minibuffer is an editing buffer; you can
do lots of things in it and with it.

> (Perhaps those clients could be migrated to a new face,
> e.g. 'message-prompt', which would inherit 'minibuffer-prompt' by
> default?)

That would be fine by me.  Or no face.  Is it really
important that the prompt be distinguished by a face?

(To be clear, I have no objection to our using faces
for prompts.)

> - In the context of bug#35564, I would like to add text properties to
>   the y-or-n-p prompt (although I'm open to other, simpler solutions
>   e.g. simply changing Dired's message).

I wouldn't mention bug #35564.  And that bug should not,
itself, also deal with prompt faces.  It should be only
about `dired-do-shell-command' warning about wildcard
characters.

Any question (for this command or in general) about
prompt faces is independent of this bug report about
the `dired-do-shell-command' treatment of wildcards.

(Just one opinion.)





  reply	other threads:[~2019-05-08 22:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 76+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-05-04 18:01 bug#35564: 27.0.50; [PATCH] Tweak dired-do-shell-command warning about "wildcard" characters Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-05-05  8:44 ` martin rudalics
2019-05-06 19:40   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-05-07  8:15     ` martin rudalics
2019-05-07 13:19       ` Drew Adams
2019-05-08 20:42         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-05-08 22:39           ` Drew Adams [this message]
2019-05-09  8:13           ` martin rudalics
2019-05-09 14:17             ` Drew Adams
2019-05-09 17:51               ` martin rudalics
2019-05-09 20:04                 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-09 11:08 ` bug#35564: [PATCH v2] Tweak dired " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-12 12:23   ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-12 14:29     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-13  6:19     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-13  7:58       ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-13 16:53       ` npostavs
2019-06-18  8:52         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-19  0:12           ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-26  6:16   ` bug#35564: [PATCH v3] " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-26 13:27     ` Drew Adams
2019-06-27  5:58       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-26 14:33     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-06-27  6:15       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-27 23:31     ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-28  6:15       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-28 15:35         ` Drew Adams
2019-06-28 17:58           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-06-28 18:43             ` Drew Adams
2019-06-29 13:48               ` Noam Postavsky
2019-06-29 14:30                 ` Drew Adams
2019-06-29 14:13               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-03 19:47     ` bug#35564: [PATCH v4] " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-12 15:10       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 11:20         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-07-27 17:26           ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 22:22             ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-07-29  3:29               ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-07-29 18:11                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-07-29 19:01                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-08-02  5:26                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-08-08 10:40                     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-08-08 21:06                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-09 12:43                         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-08-09 18:03                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-15 20:56                           ` Juri Linkov
2019-08-19  4:55                             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 22:03           ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-07-27 23:32             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-07-27 23:41               ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2019-10-10 18:45       ` bug#35564: [PATCH v5] " Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-22 15:10         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-22 16:58           ` Michael Heerdegen
2019-10-22 21:32             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-11-10 20:29               ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-14  7:02                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-11-16 20:23                   ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-22 20:43           ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-22 21:11             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-10-27 21:40               ` Juri Linkov
2019-10-30 21:59                 ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-04  6:36                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-11-05 22:22                     ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-07 22:17                       ` Juri Linkov
2019-11-10 20:18                         ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-18  7:11         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-19 22:01           ` Juri Linkov
2019-12-20  8:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-20 20:34               ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-21  7:08                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-12-22 16:02                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-20 20:43             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2019-12-21  7:08               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 11:42                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-20 12:04                   ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-20 12:18                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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