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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Uwe Brauer <oub@mat.ucm.es>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file])
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2018 08:17:39 -0800 (PST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <f0a3a374-d8ac-45b6-8de6-0e8ccc0ea696@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <<834lcj8y1f.fsf@gnu.org>>

> It seems I misunderstood your original report: you wanted Z on a .tgz
> file to only uncompress it?  That indeed has been changed in Emacs 26,
> for consistency with a .tar.gz file.  I don't think it's a good idea
> to have the previous subtle difference back.
> 
> I do think that Z on a compressed Tar archive, be it a .tar.gz or .tgz
> file, should not by default unpack the archive.  We could have a
> special prefix arg to request that, and by default we should just
> uncompress the file.  But that's a different issue.

`Z' should be its own inverse.  And there definitely
needs to be a way to compress a tar file and get it
back again from the compressed file.  Unpacking is
something else.  If `Z' compresses then if used again it
should only uncompress, returning what you started with.

It's fine to have another key that unpacks a tar, or
even another key that both uncompresses and unpacks.

Is it hard to hit two keys to uncompress + unpack?
I'm a bit surprised to see that this change was made,
after decades of the pre-26 behavior.  Was something
big gained by it?

BTW, I don't see this change called out in NEWS for
Emacs 26.  Is it there and I just missed it?

Personally, I'd prefer that a choice to both uncompress
and unpack _not_ be made via a "special prefix arg" for
`Z'.  If you can use a prefix arg with `Z' then you can
hit two keys to get the uncompress + unpack behavior.

My main reason for preferring that the prefix arg not
be co-opted for this is that in my Dired+ code I have
long co-opted it ( ;-) ) to use the following special
prefix args (and the same are used for _lots_ of Dired
commands):

 Compress or uncompress marked (or next prefix argument) files.
 A prefix argument ARG specifies files to use instead of marked.
  An integer means use the next ARG files (previous -ARG, if < 0).
  `C-u': Use the current file (whether or not any are marked).
  `C-u C-u': Use all files in Dired, except directories.
  `C-u C-u C-u': Use all files and directories, except `.' and `..'.
  `C-u C-u C-u C-u': Use all files and all directories.

What's added are the multiple `C-u' prefixes.

Vanilla Dired could benefit from the same behavior, for
dired-do-* commands generally.  To provide this behavior
I redefined macro `dired-map-over-marks' slightly:

 If ARG is a cons with element 16, 64, or 256, corresponding to
   'C-u C-u', 'C-u C-u C-u', or 'C-u C-u C-u C-u', then use all files
   in the Dired buffer, where:
     16 includes NO directories (including '.' and '..')
     64 includes directories EXCEPT '.' and '..'
    256 includes ALL directories (including '.' and '..')
 If ARG is otherwise non-nil, use the current file.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-11-14 16:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-11-13 13:18 tgz extension and dired-do-compress Uwe Brauer
2018-11-13 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-13 18:15   ` Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 12:07   ` [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file] (was: tgz extension and dired-do-compress) Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 12:12     ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 13:15       ` Noam Postavsky
2018-11-14 13:50         ` [found the culprit] Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 15:43       ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 15:49         ` [found the culprit] Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 16:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 16:39         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 16:57           ` Uwe Brauer
2018-11-14 17:31             ` Drew Adams
2018-11-14 18:20               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 19:58                 ` Drew Adams
2018-11-14 20:24                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 20:43                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 19:59           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 20:38             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 21:01               ` jpff
2018-11-16  6:45                 ` Van L
2018-11-16  0:51         ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Richard Stallman
2018-11-14 12:21     ` [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file] (was: tgz extension and dired-do-compress) Alan Mackenzie
2018-11-14 13:16       ` [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file] Uwe Brauer
     [not found]     ` <<87tvkjq2mh.fsf_-_@mat.ucm.es>
     [not found]       ` <<834lcj8y1f.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-11-14 16:17         ` Drew Adams [this message]
2018-11-14 16:37           ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-14 16:48             ` [found the culprit] Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 17:22               ` Drew Adams
2018-11-14 18:03                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-14 19:40                   ` Drew Adams
2018-11-14 20:33           ` Davis Herring
2018-11-14 21:21             ` Drew Adams
2018-11-15  2:34             ` Mike Kupfer
2018-11-16  0:55               ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-16  2:24                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-16  7:48                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-11-16 13:04                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-11-16 22:59                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-16 16:17                   ` Drew Adams
2018-11-16 23:01                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-17  8:04                       ` Yuri Khan
2018-11-18  0:24                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-17  1:05                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-11-16 23:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-11-17  7:42                     ` Yuri Khan
2018-11-15  4:57           ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Yuri Khan
2018-11-15  9:46             ` [found the culprit] Andreas Schwab
2018-11-15 15:21               ` Yuri Khan
     [not found]     ` <<<87tvkjq2mh.fsf_-_@mat.ucm.es>
     [not found]       ` <<<834lcj8y1f.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]         ` <<f0a3a374-d8ac-45b6-8de6-0e8ccc0ea696@default>
     [not found]           ` <<83y39v7gym.fsf@gnu.org>
2018-11-14 17:10             ` [found the culprit] (was: [emacs -q versus empty .emacs file]) Drew Adams
     [not found] <<875zx1xgiq.fsf@mat.ucm.es>
     [not found] <<<875zx1xgiq.fsf@mat.ucm.es>

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