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From: Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: plists, alists, and hashtables
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 09:33:46 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ef20cea4-8b3d-4f51-a419-de5afe09d4d9@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7892.1438888819.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>

On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 12:50:20 AM UTC+5:30, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > In short a map is the fundamental data structure.¹
> 
> Beware: there are maps and then there are maps.
> E.g. Javascript's objects are maps (typically thought of as being
> implemented as some kind of hash-tables), yet Javascript also comes with
> hash-tables.

Thats the whole point
Python: Zen on python makes a big todo about namespaces because they work 
uniformly and nicely for objects, classes, modules... All of which are
dictionaries ie maps
Lua: Only one collection data structure -- the table.
Tables made without explicit keys just use 1,2,3 etc ie normal lists with
the expected convenient lists syntax. Brings me to...
SQL: All of sql hangs around relations. May be called 'relation' but they
are invariably key → tuple maps

Finally a more 'fundamentalist' viewpoint:

Programmers write functions as their most primary activity
If they are algorithmic they are the functions that all programmers daily use
If they are just looked-up they are 'data-maps' -- for which a hash-table is 
a typical² data structure

IOW functions-as-code and functions-as-data are a primary dual
-----------
¹ No attribution line...Assuming you are quoting me....
² If 90% of all maps/associations are smaller than 10-15, then a linear lookup 
would be clearly a win over more fancy (Pascal's point I think). My point is 
more that the *idea* of a map needs to be fundamental not the details of *implementation*


  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-08-07 16:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-31 21:42 How to iterate over properties in a plist? Marcin Borkowski
2015-07-31 22:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-31 22:29   ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-07-31 22:42     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-01 13:34       ` Michael Heerdegen
     [not found]   ` <mailman.7705.1438381807.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-07-31 23:33     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-01 22:49       ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]       ` <mailman.7750.1438469396.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-04 10:15         ` plists, alists, and hashtables (was: How to iterate over properties in a plist?) Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-04 10:29           ` Nicolas Petton
     [not found]           ` <mailman.7809.1438684158.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-04 11:23             ` plists, alists, and hashtables Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-05  4:36           ` plists, alists, and hashtables (was: How to iterate over properties in a plist?) Rusi
2015-08-05  6:12             ` plists, alists, and hashtables Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-05  9:47               ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-05 12:20                 ` Rusi
2015-08-06 19:16                   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.7892.1438888819.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-07 16:33                     ` Rusi [this message]
2015-08-05 17:24                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-05 18:31                   ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-05 19:30                     ` Barry Margolin
2015-08-05 19:40                     ` Robert Thorpe
2015-08-05 21:11                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-06 15:17                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-06 18:46                         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-06 20:19                           ` Drew Adams
2015-08-06 21:08                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07  0:23                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-06 19:35                         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-05 13:48               ` Drew Adams
2015-08-06 19:12           ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]           ` <mailman.7890.1438888393.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-06 20:00             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-06 20:57             ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-06 21:10               ` Drew Adams
     [not found]               ` <mailman.7902.1438895429.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-06 21:15                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-06 21:31               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-07  1:53                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07  7:34                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07 16:32                   ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                   ` <mailman.7941.1438965165.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-08  3:48                     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-08 13:42                       ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-08 14:51                         ` Rusi
2015-08-07  0:08               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07  2:14                 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07  7:53                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07 11:21                     ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07 11:47                       ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07 17:21                         ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07 19:21                           ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found]                           ` <mailman.7952.1438975314.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-08  3:52                             ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07 16:35                       ` Stefan Monnier
     [not found] <mailman.7856.1438803631.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-05 20:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-05 20:45   ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-05 21:36   ` Drew Adams
2015-08-05 21:41   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
     [not found]   ` <mailman.7860.1438807554.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-06  1:32     ` Ted Zlatanov
     [not found]   ` <mailman.7862.1438810623.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-06  1:36     ` Ted Zlatanov

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