From: Rusi <rustompmody@gmail.com>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: plists, alists, and hashtables
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2015 09:33:46 -0700 (PDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ef20cea4-8b3d-4f51-a419-de5afe09d4d9@googlegroups.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7892.1438888819.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 12:50:20 AM UTC+5:30, Stefan Monnier wrote:
> > In short a map is the fundamental data structure.¹
>
> Beware: there are maps and then there are maps.
> E.g. Javascript's objects are maps (typically thought of as being
> implemented as some kind of hash-tables), yet Javascript also comes with
> hash-tables.
Thats the whole point
Python: Zen on python makes a big todo about namespaces because they work
uniformly and nicely for objects, classes, modules... All of which are
dictionaries ie maps
Lua: Only one collection data structure -- the table.
Tables made without explicit keys just use 1,2,3 etc ie normal lists with
the expected convenient lists syntax. Brings me to...
SQL: All of sql hangs around relations. May be called 'relation' but they
are invariably key → tuple maps
Finally a more 'fundamentalist' viewpoint:
Programmers write functions as their most primary activity
If they are algorithmic they are the functions that all programmers daily use
If they are just looked-up they are 'data-maps' -- for which a hash-table is
a typical² data structure
IOW functions-as-code and functions-as-data are a primary dual
-----------
¹ No attribution line...Assuming you are quoting me....
² If 90% of all maps/associations are smaller than 10-15, then a linear lookup
would be clearly a win over more fancy (Pascal's point I think). My point is
more that the *idea* of a map needs to be fundamental not the details of *implementation*
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2015-07-31 21:42 How to iterate over properties in a plist? Marcin Borkowski
2015-07-31 22:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-07-31 22:29 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-07-31 22:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-01 13:34 ` Michael Heerdegen
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2015-07-31 23:33 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-01 22:49 ` Stefan Monnier
[not found] ` <mailman.7750.1438469396.904.help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-08-04 10:15 ` plists, alists, and hashtables (was: How to iterate over properties in a plist?) Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-04 10:29 ` Nicolas Petton
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2015-08-04 11:23 ` plists, alists, and hashtables Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-05 4:36 ` plists, alists, and hashtables (was: How to iterate over properties in a plist?) Rusi
2015-08-05 6:12 ` plists, alists, and hashtables Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-05 9:47 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-05 12:20 ` Rusi
2015-08-06 19:16 ` Stefan Monnier
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2015-08-07 16:33 ` Rusi [this message]
2015-08-05 17:24 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-05 18:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-05 19:30 ` Barry Margolin
2015-08-05 19:40 ` Robert Thorpe
2015-08-05 21:11 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-06 15:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-06 18:46 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-06 20:19 ` Drew Adams
2015-08-06 21:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07 0:23 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-06 19:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-05 13:48 ` Drew Adams
2015-08-06 19:12 ` Stefan Monnier
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2015-08-06 20:00 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-06 20:57 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-06 21:10 ` Drew Adams
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2015-08-06 21:15 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-06 21:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-07 1:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07 7:34 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07 16:32 ` Stefan Monnier
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2015-08-08 3:48 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-08 13:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-08 14:51 ` Rusi
2015-08-07 0:08 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07 2:14 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07 7:53 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07 11:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07 11:47 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07 17:21 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-07 19:21 ` Stefan Monnier
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2015-08-08 3:52 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2015-08-07 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier
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2015-08-05 20:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2015-08-05 20:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-08-05 21:36 ` Drew Adams
2015-08-05 21:41 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
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2015-08-06 1:32 ` Ted Zlatanov
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2015-08-06 1:36 ` Ted Zlatanov
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