From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Alexandrov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: use-package, package.el, and system packages cooperation Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 01:50:56 +0300 Message-ID: References: <931B677D-3813-435D-802C-E1207856CBBD@chaotikum.eu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4138"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Thomas Schneider Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 27 00:53:24 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jzpWF-0000wY-M0 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:53:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38252 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jzpWE-000478-CQ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:53:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:48970) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jzpU7-00046w-Lk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:51:11 -0400 Original-Received: from relay-1.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.6]:42399) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jzpU5-0005QB-Js for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Jul 2020 18:51:11 -0400 Original-Received: from v-1c.localdomain (unknown [192.168.90.161]) by relay-1.mailobj.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B87DA120B; Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:51:04 +0200 (CEST) Original-Received: by mail-1.net-c.com [213.182.54.15] with ESMTP Mon, 27 Jul 2020 00:51:04 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: jT5XLATN4nz6YA0Ba6iaNFTO/79RV5boZzG9++nHkxMaffoZEM5Rb58VVkUkLKfRY6oann/n1YfWuOc2JUFh+I8ybgRSDrvt In-Reply-To: <931B677D-3813-435D-802C-E1207856CBBD@chaotikum.eu> (Thomas Schneider's message of "Sun, 26 Jul 2020 20:23:08 +0200") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=213.182.54.6; envelope-from=dag@gnui.org; helo=relay-1.mailobj.net X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/07/26 18:51:04 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:123593 Archived-At: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thomas Schneider wrote: > I want: > - to install packages via the system package manager as much as possible If you drop that wish, things will became much easier. > This is especially important for packages such as pdf-tools, which requ= ire development headers of several libraries, but are readily installed via= system packages pdf-tools are not released often, so the chances to get hit by version mism= atch with pdf-tools-server is quite low. > - to continue using use-package, or something else that helps me structur= e my init.el Hm... The last time I looked at use-package I found out, that this is a to= ol that prevents me from structuring my .emacs.d. Never mind though, this = is orthogonal to your question. > - not to download half of MELPA the first time I start Emacs on a new host Then check the packages in your VCS along with your own code. > Yes, this contradicts the (setq use-package-always-ensure t) in my init= .el, because otherwise =E2=80=A6 stuff broke. I don=E2=80=99t remember the= details why. Because packages are absent and your .emacs.d hard require them? ;-) --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iIMEARYIACsWIQRSX35grYEsI2F1K7TIsPhUjufz5wUCXx4I0A0cZGFnQGdudWku b3JnAAoJEMiw+FSO5/Png4YA/ip6nxCu85Tson5QLL2h0AafRhWuukAdj7rek923 b9QPAP9h/8g7fvn+ZDvZFreSlUa9Q5LXL9yMUEWrR4+9lsbKDg== =b07n -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--