From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14941: [Patch] Lighten up wrt version specification Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:57:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <8b0062be-4eb9-4cfe-a994-5dbdeec4eb93@default> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1394755097 18530 80.91.229.3 (13 Mar 2014 23:58:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:58:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 14941-done@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 14 00:58:25 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WOFW5-0001ZV-7K for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 14 Mar 2014 00:58:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42076 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOFW4-0007Lq-JV for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:58:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56681) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOFVs-0007Cg-Jf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:58:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOFVi-0002YU-D6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:58:12 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35061) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WOFVi-0002YM-8O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOFVh-00081s-Su for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:58:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:58:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14941 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14941-done@debbugs.gnu.org id=D14941.139475503430769 (code D ref 14941); Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:58:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14941-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Mar 2014 23:57:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36243 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOFUv-00080D-1u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:57:13 -0400 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:41786) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WOFUr-000801-9q for 14941-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:57:09 -0400 Original-Received: from ucsinet22.oracle.com (ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s2DNv7Qf027731 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:57:07 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by ucsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s2DNv4rh012272 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:57:04 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0001.oracle.com (abhmp0001.oracle.com [141.146.116.7]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s2DNv33L004237; Thu, 13 Mar 2014 23:57:03 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: ucsinet22.oracle.com [156.151.31.94] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:86841 Archived-At: > > There is no such "because" - illogical. That package.el relies heavily > > on version numbers is irrelevant. > > Of course it's relevant. It means that unversioned packages are (very) > rare. Once again you've distorted things by cutting out the context and the argument. An unfortunate MO. You claimed that BECAUSE package.el relies heavily on version numbers it NEEDS explicit `Version:' specs as well. That is the invalid argument I flagged. As you are well aware, I'm sure. It need not rely on the presence of a `Version:' specification to nevertheless rely on a version number. It need simply consider lack of an explicit `Version:' spec as specifying version 0. And now you make another invalid argument: > [That package.el relies heavily on version numbers] MEANS that > unversioned packages are (very) rare. It of course means no such thing. Perhaps you are really trying to say that BECAUSE package.el requires explicit version specs, packages without them are rare? That would be a valid argument, but irrelevant - see above: versioned (for package.el) need not imply an explicit version spec. (And as I said, that package.el needs a version (explicit or by default) for its own use does not imply that humans might not consider a given file otherwise unversioned.) Finally, another invalid argument: You now use the fact that you see few headers with spec `Version: 0', and few with no `Version:' spec, as evidence that there would also be few such even if package did not require a non-blank `Version:' spec. That doesn't follow either. Obviously, if you require every package to be painted blue then you will see, as a result, mainly - no, only - blue packages. Again, please classify bug #14941 as "wont-fix", since your decision was not to fix it.