From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Is it time to drop ChangeLogs? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205479 Archived-At: On 07/09/2016 10:00 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > I do use "git annotate" at first, but it will only show the last > commit that changed the code you are investigating, and I find this > too frequently to be some reformatting or other similar cleanup that > is not really what I want. On the other hand, region-history will show you all commits that touched a given region. And you'll have to page through all of them if the interesting change happened long ago. > Then going back in history with "git > annotate" is inconvenient, so "git log -L" is better. I find `a' very convenient. > In any case, the startup times of 'annotate' and 'log -L' are > comparable, and both are non-negligible. Sure, but grepping through all NEWS or ChangeLog files doesn't happen instantly either. >>> This request is unreasonable. If nothing else, it will make the bar >>> for contributing higher, not lower. The information is recorded in >>> the bug discussion, and there's no need to reproduce it in the log >>> message. >> >> We do encourage that, actually, though not require (bar for >> contributing, etc). This can be especially useful when the issue is >> not-to-complex, but the bug discussion is long. >> >> Mentioned near "rationale for a change" in CONTRIBUTE. > > Right, but this discussion is about the requirements, not about the > stuff for which one gets extra bonus points. The arguments started with "ChangeLogs take a long time to write", but somehow mutated into "committers don't put the information I'd want into the entries".