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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250525 Archived-At: On 16.05.2020 23:05, Stefan Kangas wrote: > Which capabilities are you referring to more exactly here? I'm not too > familiar with the details, so please forgive me if this is obvious. Switching between buffers using a mouse. Well, I mean, we do have a menu for that, but... Is that really better than fuzzy matching in the minibuffer? OTOH, we don't have fuzzy matching by default either. Hmm. > I have never thought about it, but I personally think it's a very good > idea. In combination with that, simple changes like giving it a border > or a different background, would also help make it more visible. Yup. > One frequent annoyance for me in more "modern" software is that the > popups hide the thing they are about. For example, a "Search and > replace" dialog box positioned on top of the text it matches, so you > have to manually move the dialog box around to see what you're doing. > I think we should try to avoid that, at least by default, so maybe the > top positioning is a better default than in the center. It could probably be configurable with little effort. One big improvement I expect from such a feature personally is no more jumping of windows when the minibuffer goes multiline. > I have never used them. I install them occasionally, to see how things change over time. > Do you mean something like this (found on a > quick search)? > > https://flight-manual.atom.io/using-atom/images/goto.png > > Or could you provide a better screenshot or video of that? Some other examples: https://code.visualstudio.com/assets/docs/editor/editingevolved/symbol.png Or: https://yann-leguilly.gitlab.io/img/no-member_vs_code/settings.webp Or: https://vscode.rocks/static/fe22cb8c64e112b3acd1b9e6595bc498/0d2bd/file_search.png