From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#22595: 25.1.50; Wishlist: There should be a way to list timers Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 09:37:08 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: References: <87oabrybgk.fsf@gnus.org> <83egcnqge3.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2mekaye.fsf@gnus.org> <87h9hiht4w.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87bn7qarzs.fsf@gnus.org> <10585fb1-f262-4b56-98ab-3b6f627fd942@default> <87mvr9hkn8.fsf@acer.localhost.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1455039511 27047 80.91.229.3 (9 Feb 2016 17:38:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:38:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 22595@debbugs.gnu.org To: Ingo Lohmar , Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 09 18:38:18 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCEy-0007b7-W2 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 18:38:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58755 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCEy-00014k-Db for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:38:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59476) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCEo-0000uV-Qa for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:38:07 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCEk-0007PN-NJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:38:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:52903) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCEk-0007P7-Jz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:38:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCEk-00017U-Cr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:38:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Feb 2016 17:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 22595 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: fixed Original-Received: via spool by 22595-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B22595.14550394384249 (code B ref 22595); Tue, 09 Feb 2016 17:38:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 22595) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2016 17:37:18 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33811 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCE2-00016S-HI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:37:18 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:32917) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1aTCE1-00016G-EN for 22595@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Feb 2016 12:37:17 -0500 Original-Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id u19HbAPl003863 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:37:10 GMT Original-Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u19Hb9Ba008571 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:37:09 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0004.oracle.com (abhmp0004.oracle.com [141.146.116.10]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id u19Hb94p027864; Tue, 9 Feb 2016 17:37:09 GMT In-Reply-To: <87mvr9hkn8.fsf@acer.localhost.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:112815 Archived-At: > > Many Emacs users interact with Emacs at deeper levels, where a > > text/overlay property is an object of concern, not just something > > behind the scenes. Likewise for other objects: processes, timers, > > whatever. >=20 > Processes reference external entities that might be created by Emacs, > but that are, partially or entirely, beyond Emacs' control. So there is > a good reason to offer the user a UI to list and control them. Agreed, and the same is true for hexl mode. But for a reason to be good it need not require existence outside Emacs. > > And we do have UIs for working with overlays or text properties. > > At least I do. Likewise, interacting with keymaps and font-lock. >=20 > I am unfamiliar with those UIs, which are they? Well, I have some commands that let you set or examine or search etc. such properties. But I agree that we don't have such UIs in vanilla Emacs. But we could, and I, for one, would welcome that. > As I said in an answer to Lars, this is not a crusade to prevent the UI. > I simply have not read a good argument yet why this additional code > burden would be a good thing to have in Emacs core. I agree that it need not be in Emacs core. I'm just welcoming the feature. From my point of view it could be a 3rd-party library on MELPA. Or it could be in GNU ELPA. I see no reason for it to be in "core" vanilla Emacs, or even in vanilla Emacs.