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Fri, 14 Apr 2023 12:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <83jzyefuq1.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:259933 Archived-At: On 14/04/2023 16:40, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> So on master if I upgrade all packages, ':core' packages would be >> automatically upgraded as well? > is that what the default of that option means? > >> I strongly object to that as a default; just because thereʼs a newer >> version on elpa of a :core package doesnʼt mean emacs should upgrade >> to it unless*explicitly* told to do so. > I said we_can_ change the default; I didn't say we_must_. If enough > people object to making that the default, it won't be changed. We need to have a change in behavior that allows 'M-x package-install' to upgrade built-in packages. But that shouldn't automatically mean that package-menu-mark-upgrades marks all built-in packages for upgrade, or package-upgrade-all (nee package-update-all) does that either. We could have another option that enables the latter to upgrade all built-ins too, of course. Regarding the currently proposed user option, does it make sense to you to have such option that decides whether package-install upgrades built-ins? Whereas one can always upgrade a built-in package using 'i' (package-menu-mark-install) in the list-packages menu, no matter the value of that option. I get the backward-compatibility intent, but user options should also do something logical from a user's point of view.