From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jason Rumney Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: configurable means hard? [was: ... easier explanation how to setup gnus ...] Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <5i61va9u7p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761v9fp6k.fsf@abbey.wistly.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1376450117 32375 80.91.229.3 (14 Aug 2013 03:15:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 03:15:17 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Aug 14 05:15:19 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1V9RYN-0007x5-9z for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 05:15:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37683 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1V9RYM-0002MV-PP for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 23:15:18 -0400 X-Received: by 10.224.137.68 with SMTP id v4mr4055071qat.1.1376449912439; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:11:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.50.62.46 with SMTP id v14mr23912igr.2.1376449912240; Tue, 13 Aug 2013 20:11:52 -0700 (PDT) Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!f7no2293025qan.0!news-out.google.com!he10ni1415qab.0!nntp.google.com!fx3no2405575qab.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=175.136.230.202; posting-account=pYxWjwkAAACsHSUNDoi5N05LVCTP7PVM Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 175.136.230.202 User-Agent: G2/1.0 Injection-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 03:11:52 +0000 Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:200596 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:92863 Archived-At: On Wednesday, 14 August 2013 03:01:03 UTC+8, Drew Adams wrote: > Hm. I hear you, and though not very familiar with Gnus I can > sympathize to some extent with this point of view. > > But I think that the goal should be something that (I think) Emacs > achieves pretty well: it is configurable as hell, and it can be as > complex as you like, but it ALSO lets uninformed users pick it up > and start using it right away, out of the box. Gnus used to be like this, as a Usenet reader. But most organizations and ISPs no longer have a server with an alias of "news" that runs an nntp service, so it no longer works out of the box for most people.