From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: dash.el [was: Re: Imports / inclusion of s.el into Emacs] Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 22:21:33 +0300 Message-ID: References: <35DBF02E-44D7-41E5-A217-7D6EC84ED221@icloud.com> <4e937898-ae46-710a-cbca-e452a1156fa1@yandex.ru> <405FCFAB-30E4-4F98-81DA-3B09933E86D0@gnu.org> <83367ybe4u.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="10301"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 Cc: rms@gnu.org, joostkremers@fastmail.fm, Emacs-devel@gnu.org, ams@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, pcr910303@icloud.com, phillip.lord@russet.org.uk To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun May 17 21:22:48 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jaOs3-0002a9-SK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 21:22:47 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42586 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaOs2-0000yp-Vo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 15:22:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47126) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaOqz-0000Xm-Jj for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 May 2020 15:21:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wr1-x432.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::432]:43164) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jaOqy-0000un-Gb; Sun, 17 May 2020 15:21:41 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wr1-x432.google.com with SMTP id i15so9280401wrx.10; Sun, 17 May 2020 12:21:38 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UuEhYzm8efmYaYYgZyylxmQooUki2836D9MMuEPZMBM=; b=ver9SsV4LTtwux+6t0+GLMN9nt0QvnZafa1sAubfDic7O5/OfttMr/bWuGS0KLNJZC aHLUJceocts+QqNBmWgzeG+Ihz6LnY66f1wlQhuCU/ErJBQ55skHwniFgWJXnE4efvPB mHvmy5RkF8i+wU2SNkIdVWBxkt3u+CXIBG+mhOGqHfP3IzoWoSrk/g8FKlWc8Q3AowwO SiDtBiWZWYNjbapPerf1KJy26qZQlVQEyk1Tbh9iJzkTFq7RDHyQ/cBJVAMHzrH0dzBM AbM2Q4QHlQN3z47KSQr/bq87lABi0UJS7/S9glbivb0fqBTfaA/JronLJHkbVSWOx19W RbGw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:subject:to:cc:references:from:message-id :date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language :content-transfer-encoding; bh=UuEhYzm8efmYaYYgZyylxmQooUki2836D9MMuEPZMBM=; b=V09AtzDdFJGXeOioWHCbMwJiRdERmDvjXu6pr/voVBPBV7HzILP9IQ8JmBw4p4DEqw /F6DySK5UMlA5JQhy7PgL8omwdaHjdRwg8xm8cSjSQVP+0but6L9y8PptYBp3MsCLZW9 rTjDghVrYf0n69WfbgSCuA1VqXlzu7lQJz7AEWfgY7qeX9UKsS6fXKTh08KNOIfP7SI0 7eBLPbi4x/katvs8R4fHEneBU4d5bMCxjtO+pjBp+UP/HXpkPzpk9XiAeeX1ObMYM4sX syIXepgK/JSSlE9W1yOHU8XQAMxzwP+jBjWEdtBDHNDJYwp4Nk6Ss4vGO9Jckc/PnBro 0WJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533t2TFqNlQo2n/8ejFzBTXCeVc2iklWpdImtvXgujRslX8wPQj7 liZ1afBA8Nqmldesm/TuHu8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxdE2+LrKMGIyhxiMas/kw25b52LIzIdGJaOJ7a8XJlLZE9hEDV6usAzMhvuYPFnFGuMA9gzA== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:4e4d:: with SMTP id r13mr15626077wrt.122.1589743297247; Sun, 17 May 2020 12:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.3] ([66.205.73.129]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id l1sm13437178wrc.24.2020.05.17.12.21.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 17 May 2020 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83367ybe4u.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::432; envelope-from=raaahh@gmail.com; helo=mail-wr1-x432.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250651 Archived-At: On 17.05.2020 21:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > What happened here was something completely different. "Here's a new > package, it does this and that." -- "Not sure we should have it in > core, how about if you put it on ELPA for the time being?" Yes, we did say that. And then, we never went back to reconsider, to put any of such packages into the core. And we never got any complaints about that, either. So I'm saying it's generally a good thing for most packages, to be put into ELPA instead. We didn't explain that outright (which is suboptimal), but it seems like most submitters realized this afterward. Some of them probably haven't been aware of GNU ELPA initially, too.