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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>, Nicolas Petton <nicolas@petton.fr>
Cc: 20385@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: bug#20385: [PROPOSED PATCH] Support quoting 'like this' in doc strings
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:19:15 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ebd02455-f8b2-4247-b0f7-b678588cf33d@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <55383081.4010106@cs.ucla.edu>

> > If Emacs at some point decides to switch to another code-quoting
> > mechanism, that's one thing.  But what it definitely should NOT
> > do, IMO, is to lose code quoting
> 
> Yes, that makes sense.  The latest iteration of the proposal does
> that, by suggesting that doc strings use curved single quotes
> ‘like-this’ to quote code.  This mechanism is already used in the
> Emacs 24.5 info files, and it works well there.

Huh?  You say that you agree, that what I say makes sense.  And then
you say that ‘...’ is a solution!  That's precisely what I'm saying
does *not* work.  If you paste that into any context where curly
quoting is used for ordinary text (which - nowadays, as you would say -
means most ordinary-text contexts) then you lose the special quoting
of code.

Whether curly quotes are single or double is irrelevant: both are
used in ordinary situations to quote ordinary text.  Neither is
something special for quoting code.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotation_mark.  Note, in particular
(in case this was something you were confused about), that British
and American usages tends to be reversed wrt which curly quotes,
single or double, are used at the first level:

 In American English, double quotes are used normally (the "primary"
 style). If quote marks are used inside another pair of quote marks,
 then single quotes are used as the "secondary" style. For example:
 "Didn't she say 'I like red best' when asked her favorite wine?"
 he wondered to himself.

 If another set of quotes is nested, double quotes are used again,
 and they continue to alternate as necessary (though this is rarely
 done). British English tends to have the opposite convention –
 single quotes are primary, and double quotes are secondary.
 Different varieties of English have different rules regarding
 whether neighboring punctuation should be written inside or
 outside the quotation marks.





  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-04-23  2:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-04-20 18:39 bug#20385: [PROPOSED PATCH] Support quoting 'like this' in doc strings Paul Eggert
2015-04-20 19:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21  0:18   ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-21  0:53     ` Drew Adams
2015-04-21  1:14     ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21  1:30       ` Drew Adams
2015-04-21  1:58         ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21  3:45       ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-21 14:52         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 18:04           ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21 18:25             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 19:34               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-21 19:50                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 20:01                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-22  7:00                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-22 13:52                       ` Drew Adams
2015-04-22 13:59                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-22 14:52                           ` Drew Adams
2015-04-22 23:36                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23  0:23                               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-23  6:45                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23  9:14                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-23 10:22                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 11:15                                       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-23 17:32                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 18:23                                           ` Drew Adams
2015-04-23 19:38                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 20:07                                               ` Drew Adams
2015-04-23 20:12                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 23:24                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-24  0:24                                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-24  4:47                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 19:47                                           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-23 19:57                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-23  2:19                               ` Drew Adams [this message]
2015-04-23  6:45                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 14:51                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-23 15:32                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-04-23 17:11                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23 19:55                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-23 20:03                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 20:13                           ` Drew Adams
2015-04-24  6:11                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-24  3:04                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-04-24  6:46                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-24 13:43                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-04-21 18:44             ` Nicolas Petton
2015-04-21 20:30               ` Stefan Monnier
2015-04-22  0:49                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-22 23:37           ` Paul Eggert
2015-04-23  6:30             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 18:35       ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-04-21 18:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-21 19:37           ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-04-21 19:52             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <mailman.1406.1429745828.904.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-23 12:11   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-23 12:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-04-23 12:45       ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-23 13:06         ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] ` <mailman.1407.1429745888.904.bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
2015-04-23 12:27   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-04-23 19:42     ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-13  7:30 ` bug#20385: [PATCH] Support curved quotes " Paul Eggert
2015-05-13 12:16   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-13 15:13     ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-13 22:33       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-14  3:24         ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-14 10:49           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-15  7:49             ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-15 17:24               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-15 18:54                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-15 19:09                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-15 21:13                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-15 21:48                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-15 23:52                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-16  0:08                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-16  0:11                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-16  1:48                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-16  8:27                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-19 23:27                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-20  2:22                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-21  7:21                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-21 10:01                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-21 14:58                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-22  3:41                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-05-16  9:51                               ` Andreas Schwab
2015-05-16  1:23                           ` Drew Adams
2015-05-16  6:20                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-05-16  7:36                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-14  7:10         ` bug#20385: missing charset for non-ASCII text/x-patch MIME parts in Thunderbird Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-14  7:10         ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-14  8:28           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-05-14  8:28           ` bug#20385: " Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-05-14  7:20         ` bug#20385: Support curved quotes in doc strings Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-14 14:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-14 20:05             ` Ivan Shmakov
2015-05-14 20:12               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-05-14 20:30                 ` Ivan Shmakov
     [not found] <<1429555155-4695-1-git-send-email-eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
2015-04-20 20:16 ` bug#20385: [PROPOSED PATCH] Support quoting 'like this' " Drew Adams
     [not found] ` <<jwvtwwabnhp.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
     [not found]   ` <<5535974D.9050207@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]     ` <<jwvvbgqs2ud.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
     [not found]       ` <<5535C7F3.7020107@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]         ` <<83618p5y9w.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]           ` <<jwvk2x59x4g.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
     [not found]             ` <<83vbgp49ve.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]               ` <<jwv8udl9syp.fsf-monnier+emacsbugs@gnu.org>
     [not found]                 ` <<83pp6x45x5.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                   ` <<5536ACB3.9040707@yandex.ru>
     [not found]                     ` <<83lhhk4phe.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                       ` <<fe3d90cd-056a-49a6-a049-6df07e710663@default>
     [not found]                         ` <<87a8y0jmba.fsf@petton.fr>
     [not found]                           ` <<6837d058-ba18-461b-8af6-2c4e6d767348@default>
     [not found]                             ` <<55383081.4010106@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]                               ` <<87a8xzae0o.fsf@petton.fr>
     [not found]                                 ` <<55389500.8000404@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]                                   ` <<878udj9pfq.fsf@petton.fr>
     [not found]                                     ` <<5538C7EC.9010105@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]                                       ` <<877ft39juq.fsf@petton.fr>
     [not found]                                         ` <<55392C91.1010300@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]                                           ` <<84f4aea9-c3ef-44c5-ac06-0df72d223e8c@default>
     [not found]                                             ` <<55394A2E.8020002@cs.ucla.edu>
     [not found]                                               ` <<f978526c-c5e3-405d-ae75-63b9ed5d4537@default>
     [not found]                                                 ` <<83lhhizjqw.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-04-23 20:15                                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-04-24  6:12                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                       ` <<55394E30.8040307@yandex.ru>
     [not found]                         ` <<83oamezk77.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]                           ` <<4b159230-cd7e-4cb9-a778-3ad7ed2ae301@default>
     [not found]                             ` <<83k2x2ys1b.fsf@gnu.org>
2015-04-24 14:11                               ` Drew Adams
2015-04-24 14:40                                 ` Eli Zaretskii

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