From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: arvid-harnack@lavache.com Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: icomplete-vertical-mode not taking effect Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 13:20:43 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="11072"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs , Yuri Khan To: "Jean Louis" , "Philip Kaludercic" Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 20 13:22:19 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1luvWt-0002ff-M1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 13:22:19 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53654 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1luvWs-0007JB-DI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 07:22:18 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52324) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1luvVw-0007Iz-IJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 07:21:20 -0400 Original-Received: from ip-8.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.8]:44912 helo=msg-3.mailo.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1luvVu-0000Sy-0e for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 07:21:20 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=lavache.com; s=mailo; t=1624188043; bh=5VtzadotxyfiVUVHrxqrjMxdNOVgeD9mF35TRZ2+X9U=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=QlN7mpxEhNx7yc3idu/3T0gacQ8gc55JKjx5dynXyySu1JrelUrlErsj1XTb7bBBY HwPNlMQfzZu///5WgA1GVkwbs7H+pCyUJVMgTwXGSiKvP31qkYnMODZrxTn4rmXdqq Q0q/rXOx9+ADxoUvW350x8RBGpcQlRsInhICy1WI= Original-Received: by www-8.mailo.com with http webmail; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 13:20:43 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: nP0y5RJElXrFaiSHmY+ucsLI3If1aPdMtRRtKk/u7Dn8pe7ERs7ZM/pHd/5VQGm316CSNTiZi4zmEvny0qwzgukNs6UfsdFI X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=213.182.54.8; envelope-from=arvid-harnack@lavache.com; helo=msg-3.mailo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.23 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "help-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:131088 Archived-At: From: Jean Louis To: Philip Kaludercic Subject: Re: icomplete-vertical-mode not taking effect Date: 20/06/2021 13:03:06 Europe/Paris Cc: arvid-harnack@lavache.com; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0help-gnu-emacs ; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Yuri Khan * Philip Kaludercic [2021-06-20 13:45]: > Yuri Khan writes: >=20 > > On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 at 02:03, wrote: > > > >> There have been a number op people who agree that the mode enabling > >> feels very surprising. The answer one gets is - "it is designed that = way". > > > > You have been given a sound reason: =E2=80=98icomplete-vertical-mode= =E2=80=99 can be > > used with either =E2=80=98icomplete-mode=E2=80=99 or =E2=80=98fido-mod= e=E2=80=99. If it automatically > > enabled =E2=80=98icomplete-mode=E2=80=99, it would no longer work with= =E2=80=98fido-mode=E2=80=99. >=20 > I'm not that convinced by this, because icomplete-vertical-mode could > check if fido-mode is enabled, and if not enable icomplete-vertical > mode. It is maybe possible that the attitude of reporter influenced the review of the code. It is also likely that my struggles are not isolated.=C2=A0 There exist many states with hidden side effects and interactions everywhere) that writing extensions for it is much harder than it should be. It has enough history and a smart enough user base to have a lot of cool functionality, but the idea that it is somehow exceptionally wonderful just doesn't hold.