From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17362: 24.4.50; inconsistent key notation: `ESC' vs `' Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 08:39:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: References: <<47b1a857-a5d6-4e5a-b8f6-f96f9e201c89@default>> <> <<83fvkxo4kc.fsf@gnu.org>> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398699635 22195 80.91.229.3 (28 Apr 2014 15:40:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:40:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17362@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Dani Moncayo Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 28 17:40:28 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WenfN-0006LG-PS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 17:40:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44600 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WenfN-0005Pa-0w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:40:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38819) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WenfA-00058l-10 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:40:20 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wenf1-00059k-6a for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:40:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:54914) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wenf1-00059Q-2o for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:40:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Wenez-0007UA-V9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:40:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17362 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17362-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17362.139869955628701 (code B ref 17362); Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:40:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17362) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Apr 2014 15:39:16 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44032 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WeneG-0007Sq-8J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:39:16 -0400 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:44860) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WeneE-0007Sd-Fo for 17362@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 11:39:15 -0400 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s3SFd8Hc008070 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:39:08 GMT Original-Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3SFd7nX019986 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:39:08 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0014.oracle.com (abhmp0014.oracle.com [141.146.116.20]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s3SFd7W4026948; Mon, 28 Apr 2014 15:39:07 GMT In-Reply-To: <<83fvkxo4kc.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:88361 Archived-At: > > > Emacs manual: contrast node `Menu Bar' with node `Quitting'. The for= mer > > > writes `ESC ESC ESC'; the latter writes ` '. > > > > > > IMO, the former is preferable. (Note that (kbd "ESC") and (kbd "") > > > both act the same, however.) > > > > I'd also prefer "ESC" over "" but then other strings like > > "", "", "" or "" should also be changed > > accordingly. >=20 > Actually, the distinction should be between "ESC" (or "TAB" or "SPC") > the key vs "ESC ESC ESC" the key sequence typed from the keyboard. So > not every should suddenly become "FOO", it's a judgment call. A difference in syntax for keyboard keys vs key sequences should not be subject to judgment calls. There are presumably clear-cut rules defining the two different syntaxes. I suppose that a particular sentence might be ambiguous as to which is meant, but in that case perhaps the sentence needs rewording to make clear which is meant. In such a case, the meaning that users take from the text (keyboard key vs key sequence) should not depend only on the syntax used. Preferably the rest of the sentence would make clear which meaning is inten= ded. Anyway, feel free to make any judgments you feel appropriate wrt this particular bug and the various occurrences in the manual (and the other Emacs manuals). And if you judge that there is no inconsistency anywhere then feel free to close it.