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From: Daniel Mendler <mail@daniel-mendler.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: philipk@posteo.net, michael_heerdegen@web.de,
	Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,
	monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 62009@debbugs.gnu.org,
	Augusto Stoffel <arstoffel@gmail.com>
Subject: bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2023 13:00:34 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e6451c43-480f-4a07-9fee-084116fbe352@daniel-mendler.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83wn3ozuyn.fsf@gnu.org>

On 3/10/23 12:50, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> Why bother?  Emacs is not in the business of preventing Lisp
> programmers from shooting themselves in the foot, certainly not when
> that incurs runtime overhead, even a small one.

Of course Elisp is in the business of preventing programmers from
shooting themselves in the foot, otherwise we would extend Emacs in C.
It is not only that Elisp is easier to write thanks to macros and other
conveniences, but also because it is safer!

I fully agree with you that we should not introduce a performance
regression, in particular not one which increases GC pressure badly.
Furthermore I agree that this is a minor bug which only occurs as an
edge case when some specific strings are mutated.

However the cost of fixing this bug is minor, since Elisp already
supports read-only data stuctures as pointed out by Robert. We may only
need an additional check in aset which won't introduce significant costs
thanks to the branch predictor of CPUs. As Augusto pointed out, aset on
strings can already be very costly because the string must be
reallocated. In comparison, the additional check will be free.

Daniel





  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-10 12:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-06 19:26 bug#62009: 29.0.60; Emacs crashes on setf symbol-name Daniel Mendler
2023-03-07  4:40 ` Ruijie Yu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-07 15:45 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-03-07 17:08   ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-07 17:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-09 21:11       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-03-10  7:11         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10  8:45           ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-03-10  8:47             ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-03-10 11:50               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 12:00                 ` Daniel Mendler [this message]
2023-03-10 12:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 12:45                     ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 12:57                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 13:08                         ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 15:02                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-11 15:16                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-11 15:37                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-18 22:46                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-19  6:03                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-19 21:20                             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-10 11:49             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10  9:40           ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-10 10:31             ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 10:59               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-10 11:09                 ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 11:23                   ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-03-10 12:09                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 11:30                   ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-10 11:36                     ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 12:13                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 12:24                         ` Daniel Mendler
2023-03-10 22:01                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-10 11:57                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-10 12:12                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 13:19                       ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-11  7:07                     ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13  8:07                       ` Robert Pluim
2023-03-13  8:28                         ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 11:47                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-13 11:50                             ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-13 11:46                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 11:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 11:53             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 11:59               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-03-11  7:07               ` Po Lu via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2023-03-11  7:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-10 18:56           ` Philip Kaludercic

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