From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: rusi Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Issues with emacs (was Emacs users a dying breed?) Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 08:08:31 -0700 (PDT) Organization: http://groups.google.com Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1340377868 31057 80.91.229.3 (22 Jun 2012 15:11:08 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:11:08 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 22 17:11:07 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Si5Vo-0001IY-S1 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 17:11:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44541 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Si5Vo-000219-LT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Jun 2012 11:11:04 -0400 Original-Path: usenet.stanford.edu!postnews.google.com!st3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Original-Newsgroups: gnu.emacs.help Original-Lines: 57 Original-NNTP-Posting-Host: 116.74.129.67 Original-X-Trace: posting.google.com 1340377711 11621 127.0.0.1 (22 Jun 2012 15:08:31 GMT) Original-X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Original-NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Jun 2012 15:08:31 +0000 (UTC) Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: st3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com; posting-host=116.74.129.67; posting-account=mBpa7woAAAAGLEWUUKpmbxm-Quu5D8ui User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:12.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/12.0,gzip(gfe) Original-Xref: usenet.stanford.edu gnu.emacs.help:192983 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:85379 Archived-At: On Jun 18, 7:32=A0am, S Boucher wrote: > I've been using emacs since as far back as 18.59.=A0 Still use it daily. > > However, I often wonder where Emacs is heading. Ive been collecting some posts on this list that seemingly are questions about emacs but in fact point to deficiencies. Does one, two, hundred deficiencies make for a 'dying breed?' Perhaps not and the question of S Boucher needs to be dealt with more conceptually/ philosophically. Unfortunately such a discussion invariably degenerates into flaming/trolling. So heres my bottom up list * Intro Started [2011-01-08 Sat] Idea is to keep a record of emacs mailing list queries that are really emacs problems * Problems *** No package management http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2011-01/msg00293.html *** Low grade dependency management in elisp http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/1070= abe0f19e5476# (change to other mailinglist) *** CL badly integrated http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2011-01/msg00288.html *** Horizontal scrolling http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/686c= 0fa47a48a7e2# *** elisp is a lisp-2 http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2011-01/msg00270.html *** Poor customizability of Tabstop behavior http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2011-01/msg00043.html *** JDE does not work http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg03183.html *** Poor Project Management http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg02878.html *** Half baked server http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/f1c5= 9047b8f4b294# *** Spurious choices ***** email http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg03080.htm= l ***** folding http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg02939.htm= l ***** Template ***** Python http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2010-12/msg02534.htm= l ***** merge/diff http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/81= 9655b0b5a81bba# *** Obsolete ***** read-from-minibuffer vs read-string http://groups.google.com/group/gnu.emacs.help/browse_thread/thread/59= 25179885835e1d#