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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: ndame <ndame@protonmail.com>, Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2020 03:13:37 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e3ae9706-f16f-f12a-4eda-bfb3c493f237@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4XvMn7QQudwuCq-3cSOnqK_gBoHnmblv2--PKi2oupbCsZwaxxrzA2Chwb6LEzzg1TYjAJNboC8lwPgw8VA5IhYUBs-Jly9HfTqPtsgZUHg=@protonmail.com>

On 27.04.2020 20:50, ndame wrote:
> 
>> The article is here:
>>
>> https://download.blender.org/documentation/pdf/LXF204.feat_3d.5cjt.pdf
> 
> That's not it, google found a version, some excerpts:

Yeah, the above is a 5-year old article. But it was interesting too, and 
especially the emphasis on animators generally needing dedicated 
training to start being productive.

> "Blender developers – would defend the software’s defiantly idiosyncratic UI on the grounds that ‘different doesn’t always mean worse’. Blender could do everything that other 3D packages could, they argued, and given a little time, it was possible to adapt your old working methods to a new combination of icons, keyboard shortcuts and menu commands. But for artists working in visual effects or game development – notoriously high-pressure industries, particularly when deadlines are looming – time is at a premium. Many people who might otherwise have loved Blender got no further than its splash screen"
> 
> ...
> 
> "Others struck at the heart of Blender veterans’ sense of identity and even their muscle memory. In almost every other 3D application, you leftclick to select things. In Blender, prior to 2.80, you rightclicked by default. Supporters argued that it made for a faster, more precise workflow – but it was also alien to artists coming to Blender from other software."
> 
> ...
> 
> 
> https://www.pressreader.com/australia/linux-format/20191217/281745566267591

That's a very good read. Another quote, not much relevant for Emacs, but 
it could make for a good promo material for FSF:

“We don’t see open source as free. We see it as free-ing,” says Bell. 
“You could cer­tainly save money if you wanted to, but I see it as an 
op­por­tu­nity to take a por­tion of the bud­get and re­di­rect it to 
our core soft­ware. We truly hope that oth­ers will take the 
de­vel­op­ment work we’ve put in and push it fur­ther.”

> There are obvious similarities with Emacs' current situation.

I also see a lot of parallels between the programs themselves.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-04-28  0:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-27 17:50 Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers ndame
2020-04-27 18:07 ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-28  0:13 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2020-04-30  2:26 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-30  5:58   ` ndame
2020-05-02  2:21     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 15:52       ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 15:59         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 17:00           ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 18:20             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-05-02 18:55               ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 21:16                 ` [OFFTOPIC] Free Software (was: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers) Stefan Monnier
2020-05-02 21:46                   ` [OFFTOPIC] Free Software Arthur Miller
2020-05-03 23:27                   ` [OFFTOPIC] Free Software (was: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers) chad
2020-05-04  3:05                 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Richard Stallman
2020-05-05 14:08                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-06  4:46                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-06 18:14                       ` Nikita Mogilevsky
2020-05-07  2:48                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-02 16:25         ` ndame
2020-05-02 19:04         ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 19:36           ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 20:05             ` Drew Adams
2020-05-02 21:16               ` Arthur Miller
2020-05-02 22:16                 ` Drew Adams
2020-05-03  3:42         ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-05 13:58           ` Arthur Miller
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-04-21 15:27 ndame
2020-04-22  3:14 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-20  6:22 ndame
2020-04-20 10:08 ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  1:50   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-21  2:09     ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  8:44       ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-22  4:30         ` Po Lu
2020-04-22  7:01           ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-23  3:10             ` Po Lu
2020-04-22 16:45           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-22 17:16             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23  3:11             ` Po Lu
2020-04-23 12:55               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-24  5:24                 ` Po Lu
2020-04-26 18:40             ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27  4:00               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-24  2:34           ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-24  2:39             ` 조성빈
2020-04-24  2:42               ` 조성빈
2020-04-24  7:33               ` Theodor Thornhill
2020-04-25  3:30               ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-25  3:32                 ` 조성빈
2020-04-26  3:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-26 14:32                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 15:14                       ` tomas
2020-04-26 16:32                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-26 16:36                           ` tomas
2020-04-21  2:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21  3:45       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-21  4:44         ` chad
2020-04-22  3:19       ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22  3:31         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-16 14:58 "Why is emacs so square?" Drew Adams
2020-04-16 15:34 ` Joseph Garvin
2020-04-17 22:05   ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-19  2:18     ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-19  2:33       ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  4:55         ` ndame
2020-04-19  6:14           ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") Po Lu
2020-04-19  6:54             ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-04-19  7:22               ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:05             ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers (was: "Why is emacs so square?") 조성빈
2020-04-19  8:12               ` ndame
2020-04-19  8:21                 ` Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:25                   ` ndame
2020-04-19  9:30                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-19 22:44                     ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-20  0:36                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-20  3:32                         ` Tim Cross
2020-04-20  9:54                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:50                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-21  8:52                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:57                               ` Simen Heggestøyl
2020-04-21 15:36                                 ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22  3:14                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22  4:33                                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-23  6:33                                     ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 10:14                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-23 14:55                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-20  4:53                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-20  6:08                         ` 조성빈
2020-04-20  9:53                           ` Po Lu
2020-04-20 13:07                             ` 조성빈
2020-04-20 15:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21  2:06                               ` Po Lu
2020-04-21  2:17                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-21  4:42                                   ` Po Lu
2020-04-21 13:55                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22  4:41                                       ` Po Lu
2020-04-22  8:13                                         ` Sergey Organov
2020-04-22  3:19                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-22 11:33                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23  7:04                                   ` Ahmed Khanzada
2020-04-23 14:20                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-23 14:56                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-23 15:32                                       ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-27 16:09                                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-04-27 16:43                                         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-20 14:22                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-21 12:43                         ` Sébastien Gendre
2020-04-21 14:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22  1:35                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-22  3:26                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-22 13:22                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-22 17:46                                 ` chad
2020-04-22 22:52                                   ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-23  0:12                                     ` chad
2020-04-23  0:49                                       ` Yuan Fu
2020-04-22 17:55                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-04-19 13:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-04-19 19:14                     ` Drew Adams
2020-04-19 22:50                     ` Po Lu
2020-04-19  8:16               ` Po Lu

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