From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: rameiko87@posteo.net Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#67638: Description of the variable message-mail-user-agent in Emacs 29.1 Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 23:53:19 +0000 Message-ID: References: <83zfyo4t5m.fsf@gnu.org> <8ae19a09753eb5bc345c78b8994c768a@posteo.net> <83wmts4lnu.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="17747"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 67638@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 07 00:54:17 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rB1ib-0004O2-Rc for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 07 Dec 2023 00:54:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rB1iC-0000sN-IH; Wed, 06 Dec 2023 18:53:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rB1iA-0000s9-Sz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2023 18:53:50 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:5::43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rB1iA-00016E-KC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2023 18:53:50 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rB1iM-0000ZV-5l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2023 18:54:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: rameiko87@posteo.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2023 23:54:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 67638 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 67638-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B67638.17019068222172 (code B ref 67638); Wed, 06 Dec 2023 23:54:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 67638) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Dec 2023 23:53:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40672 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rB1i2-0000Yx-0Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2023 18:53:42 -0500 Original-Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:42579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rB1hy-0000Yg-8l for 67638@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Dec 2023 18:53:40 -0500 Original-Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 377DC240027 for <67638@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:53:20 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1701906800; bh=unpIhTEyb0M57t84YVpRsbE1mcyf2TSibYjOzmDEp4c=; h=MIME-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Date:From:To:Cc:Subject: Message-ID:From; b=iiVpm240IfgP1SEkQNo7yD2kdhd/LE9mnqAxMUGIZV//hJOTAKdzEJ3WHIY4jL4vG yA3OhamPi4aqCr7sKVFD6t/BKaFNmFoqU1Ajfe7E2Wzr9S+pm8iPIXhJgPPDSdKtAP TXfjIBzghlLrgZamEpjgXqTI4+4plvf/35ByZbvbqeDCOFXBZqPek6RHgzckMHu146 7hoi3cgaoPkoDoVVkXqpmudZSwhpATfneyW+xgBjYD7yVG2lY5ZYQIGv5OtvOOzNO+ b8UDMd7+wHKagwwWJvoOvD8UfuWUAVBIl4ZUthppX33pDjZ0Am/yOy+V7tZOC72KvN E1rVlICM8N3EQ== Original-Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4SlvNv4tlSz6tm4; Thu, 7 Dec 2023 00:53:19 +0100 (CET) In-Reply-To: <83wmts4lnu.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:275632 Archived-At: Dear Eli, Please understand that I'm really trying my best to get this variable, which remains obscure and mysterious despite my technical proficiency, which I consider to be above-average. This is the only variable which I currently have a problem with (as far as the Mail group is concerned). > "Your preferred package for composing and sending email when using > message.el. I read very attentively your previous message. mail-user-agent is the package which is started when, say, I click on a mailto link. In my case, this is the Message package, which as far as I understand is exactly message.el > Like `mail-user-agent' (which see), this specifies the package you > prefer to use for composing and sending email messages. Then, I understand that while we're using message.el, and we're done writing the email, we need to send. Is it here that message-mail-user-agent intervenes? > The value can be anything accepted by `mail-user-agent', and in > addition it can be nil or t. If the value is nil, use the Gnus native > Mail User Agent (MUA); if it is t, use the value of `mail-user-agent'. This doesn't check out, even just because mail-user-agent accepts five options which are Message, Mail package, MH, Message_withGnusfeatures, but instead here we miss the options for "Message package" and "Message_withGnusfeatures", so message-mail-user-agent doesn't offer all the options that mail-user-agent offers. One explanation for this would be that "Message" doesn't help with the task which message-mail-user-agent wants to accomplish, therefore "Message" is absent from the options and "Message_withGnusfeatures" becomes "Gnus native" in the options. But it can't be the case because then a contradiction would follow: say I set the value of message-mail-user-agent to t, and the value of mail-user-agent is "Message package": this is an absurdity because then "Message" would be tasked with what message-mail-user-agent wants to accomplish, and we excluded this by hypothesis. And also setting the value of message-mail-user-agent to nil: is it the same as setting the value of message-mail-user-agent to t and the value of mail-user-agent to Message_withGnusfeatures?