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From: Oliver Scholz <alkibiades@gmx.de>
Cc: kehoea@parhasard.net
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Unicode Lisp reader escapes
Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 00:16:56 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <e38lqj$44m$1@sea.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 17495.49221.686950.640212@parhasard.net

Aidan Kehoe <kehoea@parhasard.net> writes:

[...]
> It seems to me that the only objections there are Richard’s, on the grounds
> of ugliness, and Oliver’s, on the unexplained grounds of what I imagine is
> his individual philosophy.

Though unexplained, not based on individual philosophy but based on
principles which I assume to be shared by most readers here (and which
therefore don't need explanation unless somebody explicitely asks for
one). The principle is that the Lisp API should be as consistent and
regular as possible in order to minimise possible sources of surprise
for the user. \x and \u are so similar in what they do, that there
should be very strong reasons for a difference in their syntax.

As for \u and \U with fixed numbers of digits: it might be standard in
other languages, but for Lisp it is entirely alien.

My comment was not an objection. On the contrary I am a believer here.
I think having a syntax for UCS characters in the next release would
be a very important addition. (That's why I raised my voice in the
first place.) You mentioned the reasons already so there's no need to
repeat them here.

The way *I* understand the discussion, the only real objection still
standing in the room is Richard's concern that \u would become
obsolete as soon as Emacs switches to an internal UCS encoding. I
still disagree, but I see his point. The question is whether the
portability provided by \u is considered to be more important than the
(conceived) redundance in the future.

As for implementing decode-char in C: that should be really trivial.


    Oliver
-- 
13 Floréal an 214 de la Révolution
Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité!

  reply	other threads:[~2006-05-02 22:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 202+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-29 15:35 [PATCH] Unicode Lisp reader escapes Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-29 23:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-04-30  8:26   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30  3:04 ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30  8:14   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30 20:53     ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30 21:04       ` Andreas Schwab
2006-04-30 21:57         ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-04-30 22:14           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-01 18:32         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-01 19:03           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-02  4:45             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-02  0:46           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02  6:41           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 21:36             ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-30 21:56       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-01  1:44         ` Miles Bader
2006-05-01  3:12           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-01  3:41             ` Miles Bader
2006-05-01 12:29               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 23:15       ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-06 23:36         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09 20:43           ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-11  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11 12:03               ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-11 13:16                 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-12  4:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-03 18:44                   ` Aidan Kehoe
     [not found]                   ` <17537.54719.354843.89030@parhasard.net>
     [not found]                     ` <ufyieqj0v.fsf@gnu.org>
2006-06-15 18:38                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-17 18:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-18 16:11                           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-18 19:55                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-20  2:37                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-20 17:56                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-23 18:35                                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-06-24  6:50                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02  6:43 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02  7:00   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 10:45     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 11:13       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 19:31         ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 20:25           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 22:16             ` Oliver Scholz [this message]
2006-05-02 11:33     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02 22:50       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-03  7:43         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-03 17:21         ` Kevin Rodgers
2006-05-03 18:51           ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-04 21:14             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08  1:31               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-08  6:54                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 13:55                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-08 14:24                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 15:32                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-08 16:39                       ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 17:39                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-09  7:04                           ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-09 19:05                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10  6:05                               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-10 17:49                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10 21:37                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  3:45                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-10 21:48                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  1:08                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  2:29                                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2006-05-11  3:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09  0:36                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-02 10:36   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-02 10:59     ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-02 19:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03  2:59     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-03  8:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03 14:21         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-03 18:26           ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-03 21:12             ` Ken Raeburn
2006-05-04 14:17             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04 16:41               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 10:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-05 16:35                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 19:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-05 19:20                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 19:57                     ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-06 14:25                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-06 17:26                         ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07  5:01                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-07  6:38                             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07  7:00                               ` David Kastrup
2006-05-07  7:15                                 ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-07 16:50                             ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-08 22:28                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04  1:33           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-04  8:23             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 11:57               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-04 12:18                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-04 12:21                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-04 16:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-04 21:40                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 10:25                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-05 12:31                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 18:08                           ` Stuart D. Herring
2006-05-05 13:05                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-05 17:23                           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 13:07                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-04 16:32             ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-04 20:55               ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05  9:33                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 10:02                   ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 18:33                   ` Aidan Kehoe
2006-05-05 18:42                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-05 21:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-06 14:24                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-06 15:01                     ` Oliver Scholz
     [not found]                     ` <877j4z5had.fsf@gmx.de>
2006-05-07  5:00                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-07 12:38                         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-07 21:26                           ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-08  1:14                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-08 22:29                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09  3:42                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-09 20:41                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-09 21:03                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-10  3:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-09  5:13                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-10  3:20                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-10  5:37                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-10  7:22                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11  3:45                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11 12:41                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11 12:51                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-11 16:46                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-11  3:44                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11  3:44                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-11  7:31                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-12  4:14                                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-12  5:26                                           ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-13  4:52                                             ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-13 13:25                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-13 20:41                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-14 13:32                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-14 23:29                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15  0:55                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15  2:49                                                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15  3:27                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15 10:20                                                             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 11:12                                                               ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 20:37                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-16  9:49                                                             ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-16 11:16                                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-16 11:39                                                                 ` Romain Francoise
2006-05-16 11:58                                                                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-16 14:24                                                                   ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-17  3:45                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  8:37                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-17 20:09                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17 12:37                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-19  2:05                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-19  8:47                                                                         ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-18  1:09                                                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-21  0:57                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-22  1:33                                                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-22 15:12                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-23  1:05                                                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-23  5:18                                                                               ` Juri Linkov
2006-05-24  2:18                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-02  6:49                                                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02  8:00                                                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2006-06-02  9:27                                                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-02 10:50                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-06-02 11:39                                                                                       ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02 12:12                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-02 22:39                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-03  6:42                                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2006-06-04  2:23                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-05  7:24                                                                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-05 21:31                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-06-07  1:24                                                                                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2006-06-02 22:39                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-24  2:17                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17 15:15                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-17  3:45                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  3:45                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-17  8:53                                                                 ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-17 20:09                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-18  9:12                                                                     ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-15 20:37                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15  5:13                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-15  8:06                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-05-15  9:04                                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2006-05-15 20:38                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-15 14:08                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-05-15 20:37                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-16 10:07                                                   ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-18  0:31                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-11  9:44                                       ` Oliver Scholz
2006-05-08  7:36                           ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-08  7:50                             ` Kenichi Handa
2006-05-05 19:05               ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-05 21:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2006-05-06 14:25                   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-04  1:26         ` Kenichi Handa
     [not found] <E1FaJ0b-0008G8-8u@monty-python.gnu.org>
2006-04-30 21:16 ` Jonathan Yavner
2006-05-01 18:32   ` Richard Stallman
2006-05-02  5:03     ` Jonathan Yavner

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