From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "paul r" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Honoring traditional defaults [was: Transient Mark Mode on bydefault] Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:29:42 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87myopnj0l.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <20080324115510.GA1563@muc.de> <874pavg45t.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <004d01c88e01$0f93b8f0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1206401396 15782 80.91.229.12 (24 Mar 2008 23:29:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:29:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 25 00:30:26 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jdw7W-0006TB-0G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 25 Mar 2008 00:30:26 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdw6u-0008SA-UX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:29:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdw6r-0008QK-7B for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:29:45 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdw6q-0008Pi-NU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:29:44 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jdw6q-0008PO-Hk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:29:44 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.153]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jdw6q-0006kw-7z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:29:44 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so2942910fga.30 for ; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=8JoO/XfAFqX160M1rmc0oiH3Ajaq8frKLOFoRp+dSyc=; b=fV/GXrQ0TGVJ1QQ4hpsxd+anyrR8KlD151+tC+ChB5gr0qEiKv2gcjh6ZUogguDbSdNy+TjbNC3Vk/vChcqNf+MHRUzPhFj7cTi7ExPjItWgr2IRNhZvIn5WzJQyXJl3TVEIJDKCh6RzFSWccvdgJKPUvGfOx7DTpnmIFYGqhrs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=YbLl4AHS5r8EJIWcaViZSYVIVllmME29MxwPev/nQa1S2RiR4igYJFtgY8ovS6iSwTDOjDLEtb/QKDetY/shmVJP0JSy1fo79xGYlQuofcRaius0qb0m4zYkyz8/+m3SJ2GscRQpAhLNByeOX2Aq2ApDKfh4oMc1+tKSEPqccCE= Original-Received: by 10.82.166.9 with SMTP id o9mr18976193bue.33.1206401382647; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.82.175.3 with HTTP; Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <004d01c88e01$0f93b8f0$c2b22382@us.oracle.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:93349 Archived-At: 2008/3/24, Drew Adams : > WDOT? To me, any "oldie" irritated by a change in default settings can go in its .emacs and revert to previous behaviour in a matter of seconds. I'm again under the impression that this idea provides convenience to experienced users that do not really need it. Newbies need default settings that encourage them to carry on, this is the real challenge I think.