From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "paul r" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Usability suggestion : completion for M-: Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:42:58 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87ejaei4iz.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87hcf7r7vl.fsf@jurta.org> <003001c886f5$366f4330$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> <874pb7ikt7.fsf@jurta.org> <000501c8873d$4ff68550$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> <000701c88785$bd26dce0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dough.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1205692995 6892 80.91.229.10 (16 Mar 2008 18:43:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:43:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juri Linkov , cyd@stupidchicken.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Drew Adams" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 16 19:59:10 2008 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by dough.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Jay4c-00070e-2g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:59:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jaxp4-00071X-Nd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:43:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jaxoy-0006x3-T5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:43:00 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Jaxoy-0006vV-74 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:43:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Jaxoy-0006vB-17 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:43:00 -0400 Original-Received: from fg-out-1718.google.com ([72.14.220.158]) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Jaxox-0005Sp-K8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:42:59 -0400 Original-Received: by fg-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id d23so6361261fga.30 for ; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:42:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=4BNydFSqwa6yPsqdg1l0cfRghq8WpUB1qA3Vxzd832Y=; b=Kn+KbKitXFHpH61cfIJqxv9M4MZu+1ZDAMblhF1/IemIVnJ3NQWUnm5Ws0jgmKa+eMF9SKIRLqcH/JCjp0uXJIlCm+MYT3LKD+hwYTW49NAOAnAGrr1kQ3/sX6Pd4eyYXNs/Rbjxq/Pkj391wcBoCw/ubPPQZdSMseWQwB4EhQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=iiqrU1RaVVmDatF5UgVasIyx73cVlCrnUj5rSwMyKGtd6XtNuw6L9XUOybzDmDwL0faGF8OEHqLe5cwYBdSdQcxJAq2bkdS9AziKC1DuLKW0gIP1ITgoTv/JGYrIrh2cVfLESThvVseLoJ7J7j9+/nZunvYWpHrH+fZnNwD74q4= Original-Received: by 10.82.112.3 with SMTP id k3mr21621391buc.32.1205692978071; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:42:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.82.176.6 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Mar 2008 11:42:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <000701c88785$bd26dce0$0600a8c0@us.oracle.com> Content-Disposition: inline X-detected-kernel: by monty-python.gnu.org: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:92763 Archived-At: Drew Adams : > Why do that, especially if, as you admit, it is just a temporary hack: "in > the meantime"? In-the-meantime changes can become fixed by neglect, for no > special reason, rather than being just temporary exceptions to the rule. The > result of lots of such changes would be ad-hoc inconsistency throughout the > UI. I think this "Agree" was not clear enough. I agree on the idea that M-: could *certainly* be made better, just like any other part of emacs. You seem to have some ideas on that topic, and if you write a M-x eval-expression-full-bodied , I will for sure give it a fair try. I have no doubt on your skills to produce wise and good quality code. But the point is that *today*, only eval-expression exists, and I think Tab for completion makes more sens that Tab for self-insert, and, above all, is more intuitive. And this thread is all about binding *by default* Tab to give it a more intuitive behaviour in fresh emacs install. But I think I stated that enough now, and you clearly stated your position as well, so it could help to have other people advice on that point, concerning the *current implementation* of M-: