From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Gregory Heytings Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Is there a way to avoid clobbering minibuffer by messages? Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 19:45:07 +0000 Message-ID: References: <3f004ca9-1f71-2c5b-17f1-e154f209e6d3@gmail.com> <83ilei62o6.fsf@gnu.org> <8d94bd37-d657-cf14-c0cb-372cde983ee0@gmail.com> <837cuy5y2m.fsf@gnu.org> <83fs9m42pc.fsf@gnu.org> <83a5zu3z7a.fsf@gnu.org> <834jq23xc3.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24474"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Mar 30 21:45:42 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1phyDN-0006Cj-Rv for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 21:45:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1phyCw-0002xJ-Ik; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:45:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1phyCu-0002wy-JU for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:45:12 -0400 Original-Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1phyCs-0006Zh-L6; Thu, 30 Mar 2023 15:45:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1680205508; bh=Tsh4ZZKfXgMi4oEM4/z12DTzrPMmcz590jQkKAG+wjU=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=yTpZmduYTf9t0x2mGx/cEmM6DRiXRTRP6K+HWd2qoJq5ZeYgqT57/MwokkL9If0pY VhO3cDZJ0HPuQUeLCQ0GWHQSuj6Qesuo74EbnEaC0Xgn+neYaMVxfKSYN2R6+8F6VH dm5QUIjijtcxlxeIzssdzvVdS1xFnphTpPXUI79SwPX92T2IxajcdQuivC8w+AK4hA 8B6aEoB8eEV9pgbzcPsGvHUTEmpx8lmCAwEeeRsL1YX3iGQms4WR+BvNgt3RWf2zYk KjoUOThGCwM3mqos/vY8PaKdA3bcbJuGoKuZXUC5/T7Uzh8Tlj2OpEqzRktt1Bl76s C0YIvdNym4Gxg== In-Reply-To: <834jq23xc3.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=95.142.160.155; envelope-from=gregory@heytings.org; helo=heytings.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:143166 Archived-At: >> Hmmm... why not? > > Not enough screen estate, and cannot be enlarged to show more than one > screen line. You cannot base a general-purpose feature such as > echo-area messages on the assumption that the message will never need > more than one screen line. > You may have seen that the mode-line is (on purpose) used if and only if the minibuffer is active. IOW, most messages are still displayed in the echo area. >> It's not perhaps the solution that would suit everyone, but I'd bet >> some users will prefer that to the way they are currently displayed. A >> third option would indeed be a kind of pop-up buffer. And there are >> probably other options. > > Popup buffer and popup frame (perhaps a child frame?) are IMO the only > viable alternatives that are worth having in Emacs. > A popup frame is not an option for terminal users. A popup buffer could be an option, but if I had to choose between the two, I think I would choose the mode-line one, which is IMO less disturbing.