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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: 10 X-Spam_score: 1.0 X-Spam_bar: + X-Spam_report: (1.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, FREEMAIL_REPLY=1, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:253163 Archived-At: On 22.07.2020 19:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Cc:acm@muc.de,rms@gnu.org,npostavs@gmail.com,emacs-devel@gnu.org >> From: Dmitry Gutov >> Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 18:33:55 +0300 >> >> On 22.07.2020 17:31, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>>> The alternative would be not writing said program at all. >>> Technically, there's another alternative: implement said programs via >>> different design patterns. But that's a separate discussion. >> How about we avoid unsubstantiated statements here? > Which ones? Your message above basically said that my statement was invalid. Without any supporting arguments. And you even cut it out of context. Please stop that. And as for a "separate discussion", I already invited you to have it (to try to actually prove your opinion there), and you bowed out.