From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Scot Becker Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: line-move-visual Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:22:16 +0100 Message-ID: References: <200907092112.21879.jem@iki.fi> <87ws6hupsk.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87ocrtulzd.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <87tz1lja6l.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <83ocrsykx7.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1247218537 28307 80.91.229.12 (10 Jul 2009 09:35:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:35:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: handa@m17n.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, bastienguerry@googlemail.com, Eli Zaretskii , jem@iki.fi, miles@gnu.org To: joakim@verona.se Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 10 11:35:29 2009 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1MPCVl-0006rb-Td for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 11:35:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37513 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPCVl-0001ww-9z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:35:21 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPCJK-0004WX-Va for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:22:31 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1MPCJG-0004UC-At for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:22:30 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=47197 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1MPCJG-0004U3-29 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:22:26 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-fx0-f215.google.com ([209.85.220.215]:34051) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MPCJB-0007Iq-3r; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 05:22:21 -0400 Original-Received: by fxm11 with SMTP id 11so785875fxm.42 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:22:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Orqmow8zpdRgdln4dOX0RjveIudP8M6iu1UU44apcOg=; b=bYcyBl7g4oWqq+EhwamvB8i4zbOpL+ai+gLArvoRUs0UCuJtZd5Yne0QNnIqQ72EV6 Ll1wQIH/HQN8GGSmQyE+F+9PlYueSE2YBIlxKHjDp9uMxWlkv/zWhTforMfY4i1Id2Y1 6iCgHNjX92OLC5+TDTi+kKsEZ59gUP9Bu8bPE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Cdc5FolwxIHrfhpweyL2dxIY8HDqgozw17auCS/0mwNKO5fCbb/23ozk1jdu6ELOmj gfK7tIkymVH7qiYBiMTdV6yS3/Jwunw1Rx5uUDgiD8zYMXQLJ0KPOfFvss6dLZlzZqRt VsnoE9Hk4gSLamsC3TveBT5duXcHI+Owjmpj0= Original-Received: by 10.204.61.137 with SMTP id t9mr1671884bkh.204.1247217737030; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 02:22:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:112291 Archived-At: On "skinnability" Yes. Something like that is good, especially if all of the changed variables can be brought together into one place for tweaking. I have wondered whether 'customize' is capable of letting a user collect an arbitrary set of variables for the attention of other users. (Seems that the groups a variable belongs to are hard coded, though). I'm playing with developing an 'Emacs configuration for writers', which could benefit from this kind of thing. And it would be a good approach to solving the present problem of 'sensible defaults' for different kinds of users. Scot On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:13 AM, wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:43:37 +0100 >>> From: Scot Becker >>> Cc: miles@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jem@iki.fi, >>> =A0 =A0 =A0Kenichi Handa >>> >>> Discoverability is key. =A0This could be done through a customize >>> interface, as Stephen suggests or simply through a piece of startup >>> documentation called "Things you might want to tweak." >> >> We already have a feature that is close to that: >> >> =A0 Options->Customize Emacs->New Options >> >> It asks for an old version, and presents a Customize buffer with all >> options changed or introduced since that version. >> > > It would be nice to have something similar to the "skinnability feature" > some other applications have. > > It would make use of Custom, and would allow to group together > Customizable features in a coherent theme. > > So, the default for "line visual" would be nil in the "emacs oldtimer" > skin, and t in "emacs newbie" skin. There would also be a "Windoze for > the w*n" skin that would have cua defaults, etc. > > Just as the "emacs->new options" feature, the skin feature would keep > track of defaults that are new in this particular emacs for this > particular skin. > > It would also keep track of for which options the user has decided to > diverge from the customize options from the default. > > The feature could also support trying out different themes. Also purely > cosmetical options like those supported by "color-theme" should be > provided. > > > -- > Joakim Verona >