Windows and emacs

Windows and emacs

[Raimund Kohl-Füchsle]

Hi guys,

it may happen that I have to switch to Windows XP and since I have no
idea how XP works (up to this point in time I only ran Linux machines) I
thought to ask since I want to stick with org-mode: How do I get
org-mode and emacs run best with XP?  As far as I know there are at
least two ways to get emacs running; one is to simply download emacs,
two is downloading cygwin; if it is cygwin that I have to go with then
which emacs?  If I saw it right there are several choices ... ummm ...
any hints on that?

Thanx in advance

ray

Re: Windows and emacs

[Mike Newman]

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:41:36 +0100
Raimund Kohl-Füchsle <mail@rk-f.me> wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> it may happen that I have to switch to Windows XP and since I have no
> idea how XP works (up to this point in time I only ran Linux
> machines) I thought to ask since I want to stick with org-mode: How
> do I get org-mode and emacs run best with XP?  As far as I know there
> are at least two ways to get emacs running; one is to simply download
> emacs, two is downloading cygwin; if it is cygwin that I have to go
> with then which emacs?  If I saw it right there are several
> choices ... ummm ... any hints on that?
> 
> Thanx in advance
> 
> ray
> 
> 
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What I use is the EmacsW32
(http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html).  This gives you recent
snapshot of Emacs 23 (I use the patched version).

I also recommend installing cygwin, and doing a little bit of work in
getting emacs to use it (not difficult, but I can't remember the
details).  If you know linux, you are sure to find it useful.  I don't
suggest using a cygwin build of emacs (I think the native build will be
easier to use).

One advantage of having cygwin installed is that you can then use "make"
to build you a new version of org.

Hope this is helpful.
-- 
Mike

Re: Windows and emacs

[Scot Becker]

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I second Mike's advice.  EmacsW32 is very carefully done, and you will get
much easier access to the rest of your windows filesystem with a native
Windows Emacs.  And if you're a Linux user, you'll ease the pain of
transition with cygwin (the windows command line always seemed hopeless to
me).  I've not done the work to get the the EmacsW32 port to work with
cygwin yet, though I did it with a windows Vim once.  Basically it involves
getting Emacs to invoke cygwin as its shell, and optionally, cygwin to
invoke the windows Emacs binary when you type 'emacs' from the cygwin
command line. This way you can use emacs to edit your files from the cygwin
command line, and the cygwin command line to do stuff from within emacs.
'
Scot


On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Mike Newman <mike@newmanfamily.me.uk>wrote:

> On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 22:41:36 +0100
> Raimund Kohl-Füchsle <mail@rk-f.me> wrote:
>
> > Hi guys,
> >
> > it may happen that I have to switch to Windows XP and since I have no
> > idea how XP works (up to this point in time I only ran Linux
> > machines) I thought to ask since I want to stick with org-mode: How
> > do I get org-mode and emacs run best with XP?  As far as I know there
> > are at least two ways to get emacs running; one is to simply download
> > emacs, two is downloading cygwin; if it is cygwin that I have to go
> > with then which emacs?  If I saw it right there are several
> > choices ... ummm ... any hints on that?
> >
> > Thanx in advance
> >
> > ray
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Emacs-orgmode mailing list
> > Remember: use `Reply All' to send replies to the list.
> > Emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
> > http://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-orgmode
>
> What I use is the EmacsW32
> (http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html).  This gives you recent
> snapshot of Emacs 23 (I use the patched version).
>
> I also recommend installing cygwin, and doing a little bit of work in
> getting emacs to use it (not difficult, but I can't remember the
> details).  If you know linux, you are sure to find it useful.  I don't
> suggest using a cygwin build of emacs (I think the native build will be
> easier to use).
>
> One advantage of having cygwin installed is that you can then use "make"
> to build you a new version of org.
>
> Hope this is helpful.
> --
> Mike
>
>
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Re: Windows and emacs

[Manish]

On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Mike Newman wrote:
[snip]
> What I use is the EmacsW32
> (http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html). This gives you recent
> snapshot of Emacs 23 (I use the patched version).

Does tramp work well on it?

-- 
Manish

Re: Windows and emacs

[Jason F. McBrayer]

Manish <mailtomanish.sharma@gmail.com> writes:

> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Mike Newman wrote:
> [snip]
>> What I use is the EmacsW32
>> (http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html). This gives you recent
>> snapshot of Emacs 23 (I use the patched version).
>
> Does tramp work well on it?

It works adequately.  I recommend using the plink*/pscp* methods rather
than the ssh*/scp* methods.

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Re: Windows and emacs

[Leo]

On 2009-01-09 05:18 +0000, Manish wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:48 AM, Mike Newman wrote:
> [snip]
>> What I use is the EmacsW32
>> (http://ourcomments.org/Emacs/EmacsW32.html). This gives you recent
>> snapshot of Emacs 23 (I use the patched version).
>
> Does tramp work well on it?

I have been using it for a while.
GNU Emacs 23.0.60.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2008-12-14 on BREPNB

-- 
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Re: [OT] Windows and emacs

[Olaf Dietsche]

Raimund Kohl-Füchsle <mail@rk-f.me> writes:

> it may happen that I have to switch to Windows XP and since I have no
> idea how XP works (up to this point in time I only ran Linux machines) I
> thought to ask since I want to stick with org-mode: How do I get
> org-mode and emacs run best with XP?  As far as I know there are at
> least two ways to get emacs running; one is to simply download emacs,
> two is downloading cygwin; if it is cygwin that I have to go with then
> which emacs?  If I saw it right there are several choices ... ummm ...
> any hints on that?

I just downloaded emacs from the gnu site:
<http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/windows/Getting-Emacs.html>
<http://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/emacs/windows/>

As others already said, a native emacs is better integrated.
Meanwhile, I can use nearly the same .emacs files in Linux and
Windows.

Cygwin is helpful in itself. Since you're used to Linux, it will help
you in the beginning and if you set your path accordingly, you can use
cygwin commands in the Windows command shell as well. On the other
side, it doesn't hurt, if you become familiar with Windows tools.

Regards, Olaf

Re: Windows and emacs

[David Lord]

Ray,

I'd agree with Mike and Scot's recommendation to use EmacsW32 for all  
the reasons they mentioned.  I'd also recommend downloading cygwin.   
Current versions of EmacsW32 pick up the cygwin installation pretty  
easily and you really need it for command line tools like grep, ftp  
(for tramp) and git (for org-mode versioning); not to mention the  
command line itself.  I've been using this setup for 3 or 4 years on  
various corporate laptops and it works very well.

Regards
David

On 8 Ion 2009, at 21:41, Raimund Kohl-Füchsle wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> it may happen that I have to switch to Windows XP and since I have no
> idea how XP works (up to this point in time I only ran Linux  
> machines) I
> thought to ask since I want to stick with org-mode: How do I get
> org-mode and emacs run best with XP?  As far as I know there are at
> least two ways to get emacs running; one is to simply download emacs,
> two is downloading cygwin; if it is cygwin that I have to go with then
> which emacs?  If I saw it right there are several choices ... ummm ...
> any hints on that?
>
> Thanx in advance
>
> ray
>
>
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Re: Windows and emacs

[Robin Ruder]

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The third way, and the way I do it, is to run a Linux inside Windows. I
dropped cygwin on my pc at work and use andLinux now (http://andlinux.org),
which is running a linux kernel in a Win32 process (as a service in
background). X applications are exported to a local W32 XServer. This is
much faster than X apps compiled for cygwin. You'll have clipboard sharing
between the Linux and W32 windows, too.

This article led me to andLinux:
www.techanodyne.com/2007/03/forget-vmware-run-colinux.html


Robin


On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 10:41 PM, Raimund Kohl-Füchsle <mail@rk-f.me> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> it may happen that I have to switch to Windows XP and since I have no
> idea how XP works (up to this point in time I only ran Linux machines) I
> thought to ask since I want to stick with org-mode: How do I get
> org-mode and emacs run best with XP?  As far as I know there are at
> least two ways to get emacs running; one is to simply download emacs,
> two is downloading cygwin; if it is cygwin that I have to go with then
> which emacs?  If I saw it right there are several choices ... ummm ...
> any hints on that?
>
> Thanx in advance
>
> ray
>
>
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Re: Windows and emacs

[Raimund Kohl-Füchsle]

Thanx to all those hints given here - very much appreciated!  As of yet
I am not quite sure which way to go, since I still have a some time I'll
let it broil a little in my skull ... :-)

Thank you again ... :-)

ray